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SilsoeSid 6th Jan 2013 11:24


If the Nazis had won, the World would be a very dark place.
A phrase often used, but never really explained how.

Back to thread;
Bottom line is that if Argentina invaded the Islands again, with disabling the runway the immediate objective, there's no way we could defend it, let alone take it back!

Torque Tonight 6th Jan 2013 11:37

The difference between then and now is that the islands are now well defended. The valid problem of retaking the islands should be sidestepped by not losing them again in tne first place. I do not see the Argie threat as credible. They do not have the economic resources, the military capability or the public will to have another go. The constant noise is annoying but that is all. It is an irritation. Argentina will most likely engage in a perpetual campaign of low level harassment because they know that if they go for Guerra Malvinas Dos they'll have their gaucho arses served to them once again. That would not be a vote winner for Cristina.

OutlawPete 6th Jan 2013 11:46


A phrase often used, but never really explained how.
I take it you've never heard of the Holocaust then?


Cant find any news reports on it but on Sky News this morning they mentioned that the Argentinian president, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has resorted to using a chartered British aircraft to swan around the world in due to the fact that if she used their own it would most likely be impounded because of the money they owe to so many nations. Ironic really if it's true!

SilsoeSid 6th Jan 2013 13:42


The difference between then and now is that the islands are now well defended.
But still on an island(s) thousands of miles away with no chance of air support should the runway be denied!

SilsoeSid 6th Jan 2013 13:53


I take it you've never heard of the Holocaust then?
Which was in it's final stages towards the end of the war!
Then what?



Ironic really if it's true!
Which of course, as she is still in Buenos Aires , is not :rolleyes:

SilsoeSid 6th Jan 2013 14:05

In the unlikely event that they try it on and actually get their hands back on the Islands; This time round, this is probably the best we could muster to retake them!


SilsoeSid 6th Jan 2013 14:09

Should we have a referendum in Northern Ireland to see who they would like to be ruled by?

Rob Courtney 6th Jan 2013 14:16


But still on an island(s) thousands of miles away with no chance of air support should the runway be denied!
So no airfield for the Argies to seize and land troops which means an amphibious landing, which means running the gauntlet of the SSNs plus whatever surface assets we have down there and then an opposed landing!

Maybe with a half decent naval force you could risk it but somehow I cant see the Argies going for it

ex-fast-jets 6th Jan 2013 14:19


But still on an island(s) thousands of miles away with no chance of air support should the runway be denied!
Now, if we still had some Harriers...............................................

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SilsoeSid 6th Jan 2013 14:50


Now, if we still had some Harriers...............................................:{
...and something to put them on :ouch:

sisemen 6th Jan 2013 14:56



I take it you've never heard of the Holocaust then?
Which was in it's final stages towards the end of the war!
Then what?
Well.....there was the small matter of all the Jewish people in the UK and then possibly the US - which was where Germany was heading eventually.

Oh, and let's not forget the torture and deaths for anybody that disagreed with the Nazi party and Hitler or anybody that tried to thwart their aims. And the diet of propaganda.

[sarcasm]No, on second thoughts Silsoe it would probably have been nirvana had they won - not dark at all. [/sarcasm]

ex-fast-jets 6th Jan 2013 15:01


...and something to put them on
Large, modified cargo boat for the RAF.......:hmm:

Any passing Spanish trawler would do for the RN........:O

SilsoeSid 6th Jan 2013 15:05


Well.....there was the small matter of all the Jewish people in the UK and then possibly the US - which was where Germany was heading eventually.
Rubbish!


Oh, and let's not forget the torture and deaths for anybody that disagreed with the Nazi party and Hitler or anybody that tried to thwart their aims. And the diet of propaganda.
As 988 :rolleyes:

SilsoeSid 6th Jan 2013 15:25

With all our might over the remaining Argentinian and S.American forces, you have forgotten the large chink in the armour of The Falkland Islands and its defence......

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...nela_512-1.jpg

http://cdn-static.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg...ky_news_hd.jpg

keesje 6th Jan 2013 15:51

The US has some historical perspective in conflicts like these.


(wiki:) The American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), the American War of Independence,[8] or simply the Revolutionary War in the United States, began as a war between the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Thirteen Colonies, but gradually grew into a world war between Britain on one side and the newly formed United States, France, Netherlands and Spain on the other. The main result was an American victory and European recognition of the independence of the United States, with mixed results for the other powers.
http://cdn.nativeamericanencyclopedi...ionary-War.jpg

Redcoats bravely protection the Kingdom, Law and Order, Civilization, Christianity, Honor, depending from which side you look at it.

Biggus 6th Jan 2013 15:57

keejse,

You seem to have great difficulty appreciating, indeed you seem to be unable to understand or recognize in any way shape or form, this simple statement:

The people of the Falkland Islands want to remain British!

keesje 6th Jan 2013 16:12

Biggus maybe it isn't all black and white.

Falkland Islands census shows fewer than a third of people identify as British | UK news | guardian.co.uk

A third of the people (children & elderly included) work for the British government and have little alternative.

Better stick to "self determination" in this case to avoid complications / grey areas..

thowman 6th Jan 2013 16:27

I think maybe the correct thing to say in this case is that the people DON'T WANT to become Argentines.

OutlawPete 6th Jan 2013 16:31


Which was in it's final stages towards the end of the war!
Then what?
I doubt very much that the Nazi's would have stopped there had the outcome been different.


The Falkland Islanders are soon to have a referendum and most of us have accepted how it will go. Hopefully Argentina will wise up after the results but if they dont and should they ever decide to start anything, there will be no shortage of volunteers to go down and sort it out again. And despite what people think, British Armed forces are still very capable despite all the cuts.

SASless 6th Jan 2013 16:36


The people of the Falkland Islands want to remain British!
Quite unlike the American's when we sent you Brits packing....while allowing the Germans to stay.


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