What will the AFPRB say this year?
 

With inflation now at 2.9%, it will be interesting to see what they recommend.

I wonder how it will be received by Messrs Brown and Darling!

They will probably use the September figure if they use one at all. They should not however look at the inflation figure but at pay comparators which might be different. As industry has lower or even negative pay increases the they may even go for near 0%.

Of course, given that the CS got 3% per year back in August ...........

PN,

now you know that is an unfair (but admittedly true) comment….based on what the “MOD” CS had in the few years previous to that:=:)

CS Pay Rises
 

"Of course, given that the CS got 3% per year back in August ..........."

Hmmm, that old chestnut - a C2 grade CS (Sqn Ldr equiv, if you like) earns less per annum than I'll be getting as my pension at 55.

As ever was, 3% of not very much = still not very much....

"C2 grade CS Sqn Ldr equiv"

Really?

But it's still 3% :ok:

Bit early to be starting this thread! Based on last year I would have thought that the questions could start around the end of March! I seem to remember that the announcement was made about 5 minutes before our 1 Apr paysheets arrived!

The computer says 'NO' :bored:

And I believe it was 5% on a 4-5 year deal before that. Only the deal following that one was not agree but the Unions.

Agreed 3% not based on not a lot was not a lot.

My pay was substantially more than my pension but substantially less than a Cpl :(.

The South African military received a pay rise of approx 65% this year.... Don't think we will get that

Er, no. Even in 1979 when Mrs T got in we only had 35%. My pay went up by nearly 65% though, as I got a year's seniority and flying training pay (RIP) at about the same time. I think my pay went from £2600 to about £4300 in six weeks..:E

Beer was about 30p/pint, since you ask ;)

Airborne Artist, I remember that period with affection as well. Added to seniority increments and other factors, my pay rise over a 2 year tour was in the same %ge frame as yours. i couldn't drink it fast enough, so actually had to start saving. Something to do with marrying the OH, who alo got a lovely big pay-rise!

This time? How much money does the Govt want to spend on buying Mil votes? They might be generous, especially as a different Govt is likely to have to pick up the bill ;)

Personally I expect there to be a modest pay rise for the military this year.

There are 6 million voters, I mean workers, in the public sector, and the Labour party is not going to miss the chance to give them a bribe, I mean a pay rise, just before an election. Given the situation with the public finances any pay rise will have to be modest, but not so modest it is insulting - no doubt G Brown still remembers the backlash when, as chancellor, he increased old aged pensions by 50p a week.

The AFPRB is not truely independent, if you look at the first few paragraphs of any report they produce they list the constraints they have to work within, the last time it included the governments inflation target and how much extra the MOD could afford!!

It will be the 11/12 annual pay rise that will be non existant or miniscule!

0% and we're all getting the sack. :eek:

Not all of us but you are correct in so much as there will many of us who will be looking for work by the end of the year.

So, as per the other X-roads thread, redundancies then?

Second orderly queue please.

:ok:G

Well given that job security has to a certain extent probably acted as a brake on pay rises in recent years, does the downsizing of the military and redundancies mean this argument for limiting pay rises is now null and void????

Obamas current dire approval ratings will be on the Tories minds post-election. THere is a LOT of pain coming up post election and I wouldnt be surprised to see 15-20% cut across the public sector on the day after the emergency budget. The Canadians did it, with the advent of 3% CPI gives the BOE very little wiggle room for QE and therefore funding gilt purchases. The bonds market are going to DEMAND higher yeilds and therefore rates will rise significantly without drastic action on spending. Big pain in 1st year of term, followed by 3 years of economic recovery.


I am expecting 0% this year, even if those tw*ts Labour give us a pay rise, I wouldnt be surprised to see it reversed in the emergency budget.

Lets face it, what faces us as the UK is an enormous excrement sandwich and unfortunately, we are ALL going to have to take a big bite.

Welcome back to Stagflation folks. Labour have managed it twice in a row.

Yes: Flt Lt is officially a "D" Grade (equivalent of JO down to Cpl). It makes managing ones CS staff somewhat unwieldy, but......

It means that a D Grade can go to the OM for Lunch.:ugh:

Expect nothing then anything better is a bonus, that's my thought for this year too.

My sentiments entirely P_J

Any rumours leaking yet?

Previous AFPRB reports were:

08 Feb 96
06 Feb 97
29 Jan 98
01 Feb 99
15 Feb 00
09 Feb 01
29 Jan 02
08 Feb 03
23 Feb 04
22 Feb 05
16 Feb 06
01 Mar 07
07 Feb 08
31 Mar 09

So we are starting to get into the final staffing and release plan.

Come on let's hear the rumours...:ok:

I heard a rumour that it was going to 10%.

But a pay cut though! :eek:

They need to get a shift on if they are going to announce it before the General election is called as that may put a stop to announcements, including our pay award, in the build up to V-Day.

Interesting to note that PVR times for all are down to 6 months; I wonder if this is an early move to get rid of as many people as they can before redundancies are needed? That might fund a modest pay rise for the rest of us left in though. Maybe I'm reading too much into it?

I find the whole pay issue particularly distasteful and dominated by politics rather than a fair recognition of what the Armed Forces as an entirity are worth.

When times are good and the private sector is coining it in and pocketing their bonuses, we can't get a significant pay rise as it might lead to unacceptable inflationary pressures. I think 6 figure bonuses and 'fat cat' pay might be more of an issue than 5% for a group of people earning in a year what many fat cats earn in a week.

When times are bad and the private sector are reaping the fruits of their efforts and bonuses are down or out, we must now share in their pain as to do otherwise would be politically unacceptable.

Anybody else see a degree of inequality here? Politicians. Can't live with them, can't shoot them.

If we get above 1%, we are lucky. Otoh, Labour, knowing that their goose is cooked, may decide to lavish the public sector with huge pay rises to b*gger the incoming conservative government.

I would rather see 0% across the entire public sector tbh, no-one can complain then.

Oh, that includes MPs.

Its amazing to hear about major procurement projects across the public sector that are getting locked in over the past 6 months; its almost as if the Labour party are destroying the future of the country because the electorate are planning to vote Tory.

Pathetic really. I really hope for a hung parliament.

They go a minus figure, due to claim cuts!!!!!

MGD, I agree. I would take a 0% payrise if they promised to stop F*cking my savings through printing cash to pay for the deficit.

Who would have thought the UK would follow what mugabe did? :ugh::ugh:

Me too. I'd be happy with a pay freeze.

Well, for those already retired from HM Forces:

From Hansard Written Answers for 19th Jan 2010.

House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 19 Jan 2010 (pt 0001)

Armed Forces: Pensions

Nick Harvey: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what effect the negative level of retail price index inflation in September 2009 will have on the level of armed forces pensions in the next 12 months. [309734]
Mr. Kevan Jones [holding answer 11 January 2010]: Public service pension upratings are linked by primary legislation to those for additional state pensions, such as the state second pension, and the uprating in April 2010 will take account of the rate of inflation over the year to September 2009. As announced at the pre-Budget report 2008, legislation governing uprating for additional state pensions means that in the event of a negative Retail Price Index (RPI), benefit rates will be protected at least in nominal terms (i.e. not reduced on account of deflation), thereby providing an increase in support in real terms. The RPI change for September 2009 was minus 1.4 per cent., therefore benefits will remain at current levels.

So nothing if you have already gone.

Even worse, is the fact that whilst DWP Benefits (for the great unwashed in a lot of cases) rise, no mention whatsoever of any increase whatsoever for those receiving either AFCS or War Disablement Pensions instead of the equvalent 'civvy' DWP benefits.

It is a point not missed by many veterans.

Thanks, Pete ... that made it all so clear. ;)

I know I talk cr@p occasionally, but that quote really said [not] a lot. How can people say such gibberish with a straight face?

Still, I'm now getting my State Pension, so that's OK. Possibly.

The Treasury pay remit document sent to government departments says to give civil servants a payrise of between 0-1% for FY 10/11, except for those departments on multi year deals, i.e. the MOD. Multi year deals areare to be honoured. I'd expect the AFPRB pay rise to be around the 1-2% figure as the military have always got slightly more than the Civil Service.

Here's a link to the document:

Public Sector Pay - HM Treasury

Thanks AB for the tip :ok:

LOL - wishful thinking; more like showing solidarity with their comrades in the Puzzle Palace. :ouch:

Army Mover

Unsure of your meaning of "Puzzle Palace" - I've always heard that term in connection with NSA and GCHQ! Try googling and you'll see what I mean.

The B Word

Mmm; see what you mean. Many years before James Bamford, the Puzzle Palace was also how we who worked out at the lesser London sites referred to Whitehall and MOD Main Building.

Curious
 

AFPRB 2010 - BAFF - British Armed Forces Federation

So, it was given to the Fat Cycloptic Sweaty-Sock Unelected Loony Labour PM in January.....

Waiting for another bad-news day to hide it ?

God I hate this government and its lack of respect......

He has the information.... RELEASE IT !!!!

There is still another 5 weeks before it has to be released....Why the hurry?

How about treating people with respect and decency? How about not having those who will be impacted by your decisions hanging on because you can't be bothered to tell them what is going on?

That's why there's a hurry. I couldn't care less how uncomfortable it is for the PM and his cronies to read the AFPRB's report, why do they not take this last final opportunity before they become unemployed and hopefully unemployable to do what is right and proper for the Forces rather than what is easy and politically expedient. For once.