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Archimedes

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Links with locations (74 [Trinidad]; 139 [Jamaica], etc, etc) were brought to an end in 1952.

Are you aware if this was at the time of HMQ arriving on the throne and the change to the 'Queens Crown'?

The crest in the frame outside the Boss' office has the King's Crown and is signed by HRH Edward. It also has a blue Petrel as the bird where as the 201 Crest on the Kinloss website has a sh1tty purple colour bird!

Zedder, as for latin mottos, I could think of a few apt ones for 201 as well!

"Anarchos"
or even "201, magic carpet Sqn"!!!!!:}

FarQueueHall - thanks for bringing up the issue!

Ian - the AMO was issued in June 1952 (and had to be repeated 10 years later because some squadrons were ignoring it...). AIUI, the study by the Air Ministry into the use of names had begun some time before, when George VI was still monarch, so the change of sovereign - and the type of crown - would appear not to have been the driving force from what I can ascertain.

I believe it's GAI 1057 you want. Some relevant bits....

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Original Unit Badge

1. A unit badge is recognised as such only after it has been accepted for registration by the Inspector of RAF Badges and by RAF Ceremonial and then been approved by Her Majesty The Queen. A unit wishing to register a badge is to submit an application in writing to HQ AIR to establish its eligibility. HQ AIR should then forward the application together with its recommendations to RAF Ceremonial. If there is any deviation from the criteria for eligibility, as outlined in para 2, HQ AIR is to make appropriate comment and state whether or not it supports the application.

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Change of Unit Title

7. There will be cases where a unit, while retaining its original entity, undergoes a change in unit title. In such circumstances a unit wishing to have a new badge reflecting its current title may apply through HQ AIR to RAF Ceremonial for a new painting. The new painting, prepared under the direction of the Inspector of RAF Badges, termed a 'close copy' will show the amended title in the frame; the design and motto will not be altered. The painting will be signed by the Inspector of RAF Badges but will not be submitted to The Queen. It will be registered in the same way as an original unit badge.

How about 'minor quam perficio' (literally 'less than perfect')

Is it a standard or a Colour? The Senior Service and the Pongos have Colours. The RNA and the RBL carry Standards.

There are currently Queen's Colours for the RAF, the RAF Regiment, the RAF College Cranwell and No1 S of TT Halton. There is also a Queen's Colour for the Air Training Corps. Squadrons gave "Standards".

'non est optime parumper venatus militis'

which is loosely translated as "sod that for a little game of soldiers"

on the other hand a good squadron might like 'testes canis sumus' which is

"we are the dogs b******s"

The ATC do not have a Queen's Colour - the Air Training Corps Banner is equivalent to an RAF Squadron Standard.

Thanks for that. I did wonder. By the way, do 1 Squadron still call them selves "Fighter" squadron.

Yes, aka "F Troop".:)

Archimedes

Thanks for that.

Seeing as my service only started on May 22 of that year, by the time that AMO came out, I probably still didn't know what an AMO was :D

Aggamemnon - you are so right - web site I checked on was incorrect - ATC=Corps Banner

Between The Brackets

If it was ever reformed, would 44 (Rhodesia) Sqn become 44 (Zimbabwe) Sqn?

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Yes, aka "F Troop".

I think the late 206 Sqn rejoiced in that nom de guerre for a while.

I think you mean't the recently reformed 206 Sqn surely?

CS

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I think you mean't the recently reformed 206 Sqn surely?

Must have missed that good news, more info appreciated.

Shirley:)

It was 120 Sqn who had that unofficial monica in the early 70's. It mainly came about because a certain bold boss of 201 creamed off all the experienced Shack men from the OCU, leaving CXX to struggle with 1st tourists.

What goes around comes around and 5 yrs later it was somewhat reversed.

Shack - 206 - to be specific 206(R) - is now the numberplate of what used to be the Heavy Aircraft Test Squadron. A bit more detail here

Phew:O
At least no one has mentioned the dark days of the nineties when we had the pink float:ugh: bugger:sad:
Charlie sends
CXX should have added the tactical sword to theirs