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guidedweapons 20th Nov 2008 13:42

SAS imposter rumbled
 
BBC NEWS | England | Cornwall | SAS impersonator faces the boot

silly bugger!

Jumping_Jack 20th Nov 2008 13:45

Found out when he wrote to the MOD......didn't he think they would check? What a knobber......:ugh:

Mister-T 20th Nov 2008 13:48

What a nosher.

I wonder how common this type of wannabe actually is?

airborne_artist 20th Nov 2008 13:54


I wonder how common this type of wannabe actually is?
I've never come across a Walt of his age, but trust me, there are more Walts claiming service in 21/23 than you can imagine :ugh:

denis555 20th Nov 2008 14:01

Is it really true you are excused being a Walt if you can get your leg over because of it?

teeteringhead 20th Nov 2008 14:05

denis

that's according to the Waltfinder General on ARRSE .... prolly not a factor in this case.

There's an amazing anti-Walt website dealing (mostly) with ANZACs, can't find the address just now - they've had a number prosecuted for (mostly Vietnam) walting. Incredibly, some even published (fictional) memoirs. Mind you, having read Pablo's published tales form NI ........

Edited to add:

Found the site here. There are some (almost) incredible tales to read about .......

preduk 20th Nov 2008 14:41

When I was a guliable cadet a number of years ago serving with my local air training corp we had an instructor exactly like this...

Told everyone in the cadets that he was ex-RAF regiment who had then joined the TA Paras, most of my officers were all non-military guys so didn't really know much.

My dad was on leave from the army and came to pick me up one night when he got talking to the guy about who he had served with. My dad, being a para at the time, asked him about the paras when he admitted he had actually served with either the rations or signals TA squadrons as well as the RAF Regiment.

Anyway... Me and my dad were down at a local TA Base and got talking to the RSM about general stuff when he asked about the instructor.

Turned out he had failed RAF selection joined the TA where he was later kicked out of for being a lazy b*****d

tonker 20th Nov 2008 14:53

We have a Captain who claims he was not only a Tornado pilot but a war hero to boot. Turns out he was a Tornado instructor, but actually only flew in the back of one once. A CRM nightmare and general weirdo, loathed by the cabin crew and nearly all F/O's at my airline. He still thinks we think his stories about JP233 etc are for real.:\

denis555 20th Nov 2008 14:55

Shame!

Biggest Walt I have heard of was a guy who was head honcho at a very big US Software company ( no prizes ) about 10 years ago.

Said he was a US Marine pilot , saved a buddy by throwing a grenade out of a trench, ruptured his eardrums ejecting from a Phantom.

All b*ll*cks - he was an air traffic controller.

Trouble was he 'Walted' to everyone for years until the Wall Street Journal decided to investigate.

It was bloody... why do they do it.???

Long Drop 20th Nov 2008 18:37

Sure that wasn't the Walt St Journal.

barnstormer1968 20th Nov 2008 19:04

Guidedweapons
 
Thanks for the link.

I must admit it always took me by surprise just how many walts there were in my old Squadron. ......At least one bloke in each troop actually claimed to be a cook:}

dead_pan 20th Nov 2008 19:29

Work with a guy who claims to been special forces during GW1. An inveterate bullsh*tter - can't even walk up the stairs without getting out of breath (probably puts it down to Gulf War syndrome but never bothered to ask). Always wondered if there was a way of exposing him....

Al R 20th Nov 2008 20:49

I wonder if we get any bull****ters posting on here?

The Helpful Stacker 20th Nov 2008 22:08

Is there no way the MoD could impose intellectual rights over military medals issued by the crown to stop these companies that supply walts being able to assist their lies?
Or perhaps insisting that all who attempt to buy medals attain proof of entitlement from the medals office?
That said, when on TSW I was asked more than once by younger airmen if they could borrow my swinging tin as they were going to a wedding and wanted to impress the easily impressed young ladies with 'their' medals so perhaps thats all walts really do it for. Oh and no, I've never let anyone use my medals other than my daughter for a show and tell this year at school during the week running up to Armistice Day and proud as punch she was too. At 5 years old I was impressed at that she remembered what they were for, although she did repeat an off-hand remark I made to my wife whilst explaining what they were to my daughter that the GSM NI was for watching MTV on a damp hill in Ulster!

Trojan1981 20th Nov 2008 22:10

That site is gold! There are so many of them. I used to wear my ribbons on my current uniform (no longer military). I copped so many bullsh!t stories from people claiming to be ex SAS (Australian) and even one bloke claiming to be an ex British clearance diver(he was fat and diabetic, and not that old), that I stopped wearing them.

Karl Bamforth 20th Nov 2008 22:26

Once met a guy who told me all about how he was at Lockerby shortly after the crash. He knew what he was talking about right down to the names of guys involved in a fatal car accident.

Thing is he was never there...... He was claiming to be part of the team I was on. It was only a small team of 10-12 ppl and he wasn't part of it.

When I pointed out he wasn't there and I knew it, he started back peddaling like mad. I told him what I thought of him and havn't seen him since.

preduk 20th Nov 2008 22:38

Karl who were you serving with at the time? I've got a relative who was at Lockerby during it.

Karl Bamforth 20th Nov 2008 23:24

I was on 33 Sqdn.

We operated from the school for a short while then moved to a caravan in a field.
I will never forget the generosity of the locals. We returned from operations on more than one occasion to find beer and food waiting for us. Almost impossible to buy a beer or food anywhere, the locals insisted on feeding and watering us free. I was quite embaressed when I got my watch repaired and I wasn't even allowed to pay for that.

ShyTorque 20th Nov 2008 23:49

Lockerby? That's in Canada isn't it - what crash happened there?

aviate1138 21st Nov 2008 07:30

Pedant alert! :rolleyes:

Lockerbie - perhaps?

Like most place names and people names, there are local variations. Or maybe Lockerby is the 'new english what is spoke, like'. :)

denis555 21st Nov 2008 08:02


I wonder if we get any bull****ters posting on here?
Do you mean me?

Never been in the forces at all - apart from the Air Cadets ( did I tell you about their role in the Embassy Siege? But I can't cos it's secret *shhh* )

I only come on this forum because the banter is so good.:}

6Z3 21st Nov 2008 08:20

Mitty, Mittie, it's all the same really; just like Sqn and Sqdn;)

Al R 21st Nov 2008 08:39


Denis said: Do you mean me?

Never been in the forces at all - apart from the Air Cadets ( did I tell you about their role in the Embassy Siege? But I can't cos it's secret *shhh* )

I only come on this forum because the banter is so good.http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/badteeth.gif
No, I didn't mean you - and I agree about the craic, there are some funny exchanges. I suppose you're referring to the Iranian Embassy siege, right? Ok, thats the one that everyone knows about :rolleyes:, but there was another one that had a news blackout. My ATC Sqn was called in for that particular job but if you don't mind, I'd rather not talk about it here.

Flight Detent 21st Nov 2008 09:59

...always wondered...

Someone I know that served as a ground crew tech in a flying squadron in Australia...

they deployed to the Phillipines for a couple of weeks during the time Vietnam was in full swing...

he had a pilot friend that agreed to take him on a navex flight out over the South China Sea, for a joy ride.
This squadron never played any part in the war in Vietnam.

The flight went as planned and they all returned non the worse.

Many years later, around '95, the pilot friend contacted this person and advised him that according to the flight records of that day some 20 years earlier, they had actually flown through the Sth Vietnamese FIR during that navex!

To cut this story short, they both claimed active service in Vietnam and were awarded the medal(s) by the Australian Dept of Vetrans Affairs, AND both have also been given vetrans pensions AND both have got Gold Cards for their medical expenses. (remember, neither one has ever even seen Vietnam, let alone been there!), and this person now also marches on Anzac Day!

See, officially they are not pretenders because the government has agreed they are vets, so the law wouldn't apply here I would have thought - even though they are actually pretenders in every other way!

As an ex-serviceman myself, this continues to rub me the wrong way!

tonker 21st Nov 2008 10:10

If it's going to be that vague, i really was a test pilot for Airfix models afterall(most of which crashed due to poor gluing,props on the wrong way, every weapon supplied glued under wings etc):}

Wader2 21st Nov 2008 10:10

Our cadet officer did war service in the RA Heavy Anti-Aircraft. He was no walt though. His war record was well known in the rumour mill that he had only shot down one aircraft during the war.

A Spitfire!

I should have said, he was a flt lt RAFVRT and had been a sgt.

anotherthing 21st Nov 2008 10:22


Mr Cattell's deception came to light when he sent a photo of himself wearing false medals to the RAF with a request for a replacement military baton
it all makes sense now...

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thum...n_of_bread.jpg
He was a cook in the National Service after all.

Gainesy 21st Nov 2008 10:23

Did I ever tell you about hurting my ankle in a daring solo jump fom a Herc?

If you leave out the bit about it being on chocks at Akrotiri.....:)

Tiger_mate 21st Nov 2008 10:31

I was at Lockerbie first thing, yet know nothing of a fatal car crash until I read this thread. But why should I? I had a job to do and got on with it, & thankfully en-route back to the Emerald Isle before 1pm on day one. The only circumstance when one would look forward to going to Ulster to improve your quality of life.

Have to agree with comments about the excellent hospitality of the locals, and their nemesis the Press. I was asked by a photographer to "Look sad" for a photo: He got the finger; and his colleaques thought the nightsun was a techno gadget for quickly establishing life or death.

Notwithstanding my contribution to this thread, those that "have" usually do not feel the need to talk about it; therefore those that "discuss" more often than not have a good imagination.

angels 21st Nov 2008 10:38

I've mentioned this on another thread, but as a cook, surely he killed more men than most SAS chaps?

camlobe 21st Nov 2008 11:46

tonker wrote:

"We have a Captain who claims he was not only a Tornado pilot but a war hero to boot. Turns out he was a Tornado instructor, but actually only flew in the back of one once. A CRM nightmare and general weirdo, loathed by the cabin crew and nearly all F/O's at my airline. He still thinks we think his stories about JP233 etc are for real.http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/wibble.gif"

In all seriousness, this sounds rather like my brother. Is 'your' Captain flying 777's for the worlds favourite? Or is there another walt out there with similar credentials?

camlobe

cornish-stormrider 21st Nov 2008 13:20

:Eaccording to Arrse, who are the guvnor's in this. there are several million men out there, one in each pub in the land who were on that balcony in Prince's Gate.

They couldn't have all been there, the weight would have collapsed the building.

I once met a walt........it was scary, he was supposedly '5' and had done, and I quote verbatim "Rivet Jumps" from the belly hatch of a herc. I asked him why they called them rivet jumps and he said it was because they were so close the banged their jump hats on the skin and could count the rivets. He had also been slotted with a Barrett .50 and was proficient in all manner of stuff.

I didn't destroy his illusions as I figured that a goth loner with few friends needs all the help he can get. His walting got found out later on anyway....


How sad they are.

When I was in the engine bay during desert fox etc etc etc, we had lots of time for sport and drinking.:E

tonker 21st Nov 2008 14:22

No not in BA. Should have said he was a Tornado "Simulator" Instructor.

Letching round the cabin crew like some 70's throwback perv. Makes them feel very awkward and we get some "please come and rescue me from this ****" looks.

Had a boss once who claimed he was on the "hill" at Farnborough when Derry crashed! He was born in 1965:\ Couldn't be bothered to tell him i knew, and ended up shagging his secretary when he went on yet another futile climbing expedition. She was great;)

Shack37 21st Nov 2008 16:31

Back in the swingin' sixties when the Kooba krisis was on, one of the St. Mawgan squadrons (201) was put on standby to get down there and head off the baddies. In the end they didn't actually go but, as I was at St. M at the time on 206 which is not far away from 201 can I claim anything. Would that make me a Walt? I think I should be told!

BEagle 21st Nov 2008 16:50


Letching round the cabin crew like some 70's throwback perv.
And an ex-Tornado sim instructor?

Would that captain be with Net Jets, perchance?

ianp 21st Nov 2008 19:52

Drifting back to the original story I wonder why this chap, while claiming to have been in the SAS, went to the RAF for a baton?

CirrusF 21st Nov 2008 19:59


I've mentioned this on another thread, but as a cook, surely he killed more men than most SAS chaps?
True - and bear in mind army chef training is far harder than SAS selection. Nobody has yet passed the course.

preduk 21st Nov 2008 20:05


I've mentioned this on another thread, but as a cook, surely he killed more men than most SAS chaps?

True - and bear in mind army chef training is far harder than SAS selection. Nobody has yet passed the course
Ha that cracked me up...

They deserve it though, how dare they feed me that horrible, greasy fried bread.

cazatou 21st Nov 2008 20:21

My Father passed the Course in 1940 - mind you; he had an incentive.

Failure would have meant a return to the Pioneer Corps and his role in case of Invasion. This, quite simply, was - in the event of a NAZI Invasion - to run unarmed down onto the Beach and throw himself across our barbed wire so that our Forces could run across his body to counter-attack.

He later considered the Parachute Regt - but the Recruiting Officers were a Major Pine-Coffin and a Capt Blood.

dead_pan 21st Nov 2008 22:05


Do you mean me?

Never been in the forces at all - apart from the Air Cadets ( did I tell you about their role in the Embassy Siege? But I can't cos it's secret *shhh* )

I only come on this forum because the banter is so good.
Have already 'fessed up on this forum as to my absence of military service, medals, war wounds etc. I did meet Douglas Bader once though (when I say met, it was more passing in a crowd, when I say passing in a crowd...)


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