'Silly little spectacle'
 

Anyone any thoughts on Brian Moore's comment of 'Silly Little Spectacle' at the F3 flypast today?

Well they did delay the kick off because they were late, so didn't look very good in my opinion.

I agree. Why waste good Tonkas on a $h1te game of football??

The delay was as a result of the FAC hesitating to paint the target. There were that many juicy ones on the pitch that it confused his laser designator. Fast air resorted to plan B (A brief show of force). Maybe next time send in Widow Maker 67...:E

I would urge everyone to complain to the BBC, I have and here is what I put:
At the begining of the match the Royal Air Force provided two Tornados to carry out a fly past of Murryfield stadium. The commentator, Brian Moore stated "we had to wait for that, I dont see why. It might look like a great spectacle, players have been out there a good 6 or 7 minutes, they want to get on with the game, lets get on with the game and not silly little spectacles like that".
The Royal Air Force are stretched beyond belief, all of the servicemen who have had to give up their weekend to make that flypast possible will be utterley disgusted by this comment, how do I know? because both my wife and I are in the RAF and know exactly how many, and how long the Sqn lads were stood in the rain carrying out pre-flight checks, upon the return of the aircraft they will need to be serviced, extra work that we dont need, if its not welcome that is!
In the current light of the Prime Minister Gordon Brown's wishes to improve the support for our troops, the comments of Mr Moore are nothing more than utterley disgraceful.
He (Mr Moore) should be made to make an on-the-air apology to the RAF. :mad:

silly little spectacle
 

SBTT - the BBC complaints system have already recieved my complaint!

Its not the first time that the F3s have been "late" for a fly past at Murrayfield. Perhaps they got given the wrong minute for Murrayfield. Perhaps Edinbvrgh ATC couldn't get them through at the right minute, who knows?? In any case, what possesed Brian Moore to make such a comment? If he is incapable of saying anything useful, he shouldn't say anything at all.

I'm assuming he knows how easy it is to generate a formation of FJs over a small structure in the middle of a city in pisspoor weather, so fair comment. If he doesn't appreciate the time everyone - particularly the ground crews - put in for his silly little sport, drop him off the back of a Wokka somewhere in Helmand and let him report on something important for once in his life.

Whilst I usually relish the opportunity to have a dig at the Fart 3's (were they late?...they usually are!), it does seem a little inappropriate for Brian Moore to make comments like that given the recent events in the media. Having said that, I enjoy his commentary as he is always un-pc and sticks both size 9's in before thinking. It makes me laugh and his comments today did as well. I wouldn't take it to heart...

It was petty trite and totally uncalled for - I expect considerably better from the BBC in spending my licence money on his services.

..now back to the second half....

'Fraid I agree with Brian Moore's sentiment if not the exact words.

There were nearly 70,000 people at Murrayfield, plus however many million watching TV, waiting for a game of rugby to kick-off. A flypast was a nicetie, but if it couldn't happen on time then it should've been called it off. The weather loooked dreadful and I'm sure that it was difficult to get through - but the pregnant pause was rather embarrassing.

As for the F3 force being overstretched :ooh: - must be all those operational commitments ;)

"Well they did delay the kick off because they were late, so didn't look very good in my opinion."

were they late or were the events on the ground to early?

Frankly as its Brian Moore i'd be disapointed if he didn't moan about it!

Perhaps Mr Moore would care for a PAX trip ACM style.............

At least he was very magnanimous when describing England's performance and the final score......................Come on you Blue's :ok:

A few years ago Brian Moore attended a dining in night for 216 Sqn for no charge, gave an excellent speech and was really pro RAF. However we took him on an AAR trip so you do think he would be used to F3's turning up late!

What's the biggie? A short, fat and very ugly Englishman makes a stupid crack at a rugby game. We viewers have to put have to put up with that **** Inverdale ad nauseum. Much more complaint worthy in my opinion.

All of Jockdom seemed to enjoy the Jets. I did.

CG

Strange how the final score is not featuring high in this thread :E

I've often thought those fly-pasts are pointless because most people in the stadium can't see them anyway or if they do its very very brief.

And as for the England team performance - beggars belief :confused:.
Well done Scotland for at least turning up!

Scotland have turned the start into a complete farce anyway correct me if i am wrong but at the start of all international games when the anthems being played the teams stand in front of a large national flag did anybody notice the lack of the George cross.with that the england team being called out early left to cool down then waiting for a fly past which was late he has a point.

But going back to what its about well done Scotland the better team one on the day.
And that hurts saying that:O

Two things, Is Brian Moore from Peterborough? and, can we not just have him shot for something or other to be decided on later - any old excuse will do!:E

It could be worse we may of ended up having to listen to Stuart Barnes.

Brian Moore is from Halifax actually! Find it surprising that he should have a go though especially the amount of free beer he got when he came to 216! Then again was only a kick and clap game, gave him a good hour of chest poking why he did not try playing real rugby

I had the unfortunate experience of this idiot coming to sit on a table next to mine in a restaurant alomgside the river at Barnes.

From the moment he sat down it was obvious he was going to be an arrogant prat prepared to raise hell if things didn't suit him - never mind anyone else and so it turned out.

I thanked him for his lousy manners as I left. :eek:

To Quote Avalon..."I've often thought those fly-pasts are pointless because most people in the stadium can't see them anyway or if they do its very very brief."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUIO1...eature=related

I agree that this one was a little better....:E

unfortunately I missed out on Brian Moores comment.. Why because I happen to be north of the border and had to put up with the most biased commentry I have ever heard from david Sole and some other chap I can't remember and thats coming from someone who is as scottish as he is english!!!!

FATOBS
I heard Brian Moore's comment and listened to an biassed commentary on the English broadcast for a while before retuning to BBC Scotland where the commentary was less so.

I don't know why the BBC bother with him; he's a misery from the start of his commentary until the very end - today's comment about the F3s is, sadly, typical. More often than not these days I find myself reducing the volume on my TV during football and rugby matches because the majority of the commentary is an irritation.

Brian Moore's commentary and tone had me really irritated by the end of the game. But as for the fly-past he was bang on the money. Ridiculous. If you're going to be late don't bother at all. A couple of planes flying over Murrayfield at the start of a rugby game adds absolutely nothing to it - I certainly didn't tune in for an RAF flypast - and gets increasingly negative the longer people have to wait for it.

What a waste of taxpayer's money!!!

Add that to the station commander of Wittering chickening out on uniforms rather than face up to a few yobs in Peterborough and this has not been the best few days of PR for the RAF

When you thanked him Cool Mod, did he reply?

The reason that I ask is that I'm sure you'd agree that its the height of bad manners and poor service to be asked something reasonable and to then ignore the questioner.

Brian Moore always comes across as a negative, biased idiot in his commentary. I am amazed the BBC have kept him on for as long as they have!

As for the F3s, good work and good PR for the RAF.

Brian Moore’s :} comment was (typically) well out of line; the wait for the FJs’ appearance was noticeably shorter than the time the English team were made to stand in the rain before the Scots XV decided to turn up.

Another thought, was the ETA for the F3s’ flyby messed about by the late finish of the Dublin game, where the timing went by the board completely. The “glad handing” of the teams & officials by Mary McAleese http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/...ons/icon13.gif and the performance of both Irish anthems delayed kick-off by a little over 10 minutes :ugh:.

Aw come on guys, stop being so precious!

AW - try again in English!

Sorry your efforts wern't appreciated enough Sandy, but in all honesty your flypast was just a (late) irrelevent 3 second sideshow at a big rugby match so don't slag off BM for having the guts to state what many people thought.

And don't anyone take this as me being disrespectful to the hard work of any branch of the services.

When it was annouced by the commentary team for the match that a flypast would take place, the camera panned to the area where the the aicraft were due to approach, you could see them in the distance, but no one commented that they could see them inbound. The camera then panned back to the pitch and as the aircraft flew overhead, the cameras briefly picked them up overhead the stadium. Then we had the typical 'off the cuff', 'didn't engage brain before opening mouth' comment.

My point is that the impression given by the BBC was that the flypast was an inconvenience getting in the way of the match rather than building it up to be a spectacle that we do not see a lot of and when it does happen, it is much appreciated. The production/presentation team for the BBC handled the flypast badly.

With the recent situation in Peterborough, the timing of the comments made was poor and due to the emotion that the Peterborough situation has stirred up, was offensive to many. He should apologise for his comments and then we should all move on.

Temps

I missed the game yesterday, what was the score?

Late???
 

I can 'reveal' with reasonable confidence that the F3s arrived at the requested time to the second.

r2

Amazing what tripe people can speak. Has anyone actually asked to see if the flypast was late or if the other pre-match events finished early? Probably not, it's easier to live off prejudice and arrogant ignorance, may be that is why there is an image problem with the general public.

Most of the above comments are as well thought out and useful as noBrain Moore's. I sure that given the choice people wouldn't choose to come in to work on an extra day to do a job that was unappreciated. Not doing the flypast would be easy.

I thought we didn't pander to the purile and ignorant comments of oafs - but then I read that we have given in to a small insignificant minority in Petersbourgh.

The RAF is 90 this year let's be pride and be SEEN to be pride of what we do. We are after all the best at it.

r2

Oh, I see, arrived on time "to the second." Nothing wrong with Irrelevant Aircraft and their planning. Its all you millions of rugby fans who are the problem.

The basic problem with the RAF is that it has lost touch with the general public and can now only see itself from its own perspective (ergo the Wittering boss who sees her first priority as 'protecting her people" rather than 'engaging with the enemy' - the Peterborough yobs.)

Were not falling for that one:=.