Second best:
 

I rather doubt it somehow:

Fair dinkum cobbers:

Yep and proud to have a few as so.

Mr Hill the wind will change direction and your tongue will get stuck in your cheek for ever and a day.:p:p:p:p:p:p

Chr's
H/Snort:D

Ok but there are only so many and they have to do LIFT and Nav trg as well with only 33- airframes.
Wessex: Yes they shouldn't have gone in the first place
LJR: I understand the RAAF benifit from this kind of mutual trg. It has been very hard to get aircraft for any training activity in recent years (it may have always been this way-I don't know) and sureley retaining the aircraft would have provided value for money. I can think of plenty of training roles they could fulfil; CAIRS (VERY rare), 16 AD Regt, Dissimilar AC Trg as well as Navy support flight.
Too late now I suppose....http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/h...4_at_Nowra.jpg(RAN OFFICIAL)

Sky Hawks
 

Further to the RAN fleet support task; it does not fall solely to the Hawks. There are the occasional F-111, F/A-18, AP-3 and Kalkara taskings (in the near future there will also be other maritime UAVs and UCAVs).:hmm:

In an Australian perspective.The Kiwis are useful for South Pacific police actions. As long as we put them in place. The American alliance provides access to very high levels of miltary technology, intelligence and training. The Defence relationship between Australia and the US is vital.

Your suggestion would be nothing but a burden on the Australian taxpayer. That is, we officially subsidise the myopic regional defence interests of New Zealand. Where as now, we unofficially do.

For example, if order breaks down in a South Pacific nation due a natural disaster or civil unrest. Australia ( and probably the US ) would provide the bulk of the logistical air and sea capabilties.

Move the scenarios further afield- PNG & the Indonesian archipelago- and the Kiwis are even more 'token'.

The New Zealand air force should be labelled a Police Air Wing. The Navy a coastguard and the army 'peacekeepers'- with a SWAT like SAS capability.

Bludgers. :}

sigh.......


http://www.vreme.com/g/images/443254...ve-heart-2.jpg






thats for the piccy, not the comment...

Don't get too upset komac2, Gnadenburg is an Arstralian, and thus is certain that he has a special place in this world, where might is right.

They are bigger, wealthier, and in this case, arro....... ooops, I meant to say more knowledgeable, than us poor Kiwis.

So, know your place in the order of this world and keep tugging your forelock when you speak of our big neighbours across the Tasman.

Pic
 

Kiwi Chick: I have some nice ones of Kiwi A-4s at flying around NW as well but I have to scan them.

Don't be so sensitive. Just dismissing a ludicrous suggestion Australia should forego the American alliance for a " Joint Australia-NZ Defence force"

There is absolutely nothing to be gained by Australia.You have run down your capabilities in a number of areas- not just the A4.

Depending on servicability rates for your C130's. The Irish Air corps can pack more capability than the RNZAF.

Your air force is an example of political tokenism. Downgrade it to a police air wing and coast guard. It would be cheaper. :)

Well stap me Gnadenburg, it is astonishing what one can learn in these forums, I never knew that the Irish Air Corps packs more capability that the RNZAF.

No point in checking the veracity of your statement, we shall just have to take it as the gospel; yes zur, thankee zur.

Did anyone say that? A strengthened ANZAC relationship would not require Australia to give up its relationship with the US.

For NZ's part, our dealings with the US should be in an environment of mutual respect. If Australia wishes to deal with the US differently then they are free to do so.

Sorry John. It was suggested we do away with our US alliance.

And be replaced by some type of combined, inter-operable Australian & New Zealand defence force.

Laugh! Cunning ploy though. You probably want us to foot the bill for the replacement of all that block obsolescence.

The steely eyed Kiwi fighting man:

http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/band/default.htm

Gnadenburg's Horse:
 

Matey it is TOO big for you.
Quote:
Australia-NZ-Joint-Defense-Force:
Do away with the US entirely, I wonder? it was my thought/Q, see the Question mark??????
It concerns me with what I see as the US big gun theory, "my gun is bigger than yours! do as I say"
Aussie/NZ/US have been friends for a good many years.
[SIZE="5"]QUOTE your statement:Your air force (Inset NZDF) is an example of political tokenism.
You are correct absolutely, this has been the theme of my comments to the thread, but quite frankly matey, and perhaps you didn't intend it, but I find your statement just a tad disrespectful to those that have gone before us in a very proud tradition.
Yes we have a bunch of F:mad:wits, running NZ at present, you now have your turn at experiencing the same :
Bearing in mind we just had a chap awarded the VC< and deseve it he F---ing well does.
People are still prepared to die in the world of "political tokenism". and I salute them every man and woman envolved::ok:
Chr's
H/Snort

They are/were probably the best maintained A4's in the world, and their avionics fit is still pretty much 'state of the art' - but there is no-one left to fly them, let alone conduct any form of operations.

What???

What do you mean "noone left to fly them?!" :confused:

I know someone who would probably jump back in it tomorrow, given half the chance!!

Maybe after a touch of maintenance :)

Hahaha... possibly! :}


Like unwrapping all that Glad Wrap. I don't think you'd want to use a Stanley Knife.

The Kiwis need some air capability to be sure, but to suggest that the Aussies and the US wouldn't step in to help if something no **** happens is silly. Do you really think we'd (the US and AS) stand by and let's say the Chinese swarm and take your island? Not a chance in hell. Now pirates and local terrorists? That's a different story. The Kiwis should focus on counter-terrorist type capabilities, and maintain friendly relations with nations that can provide big-war capability. Seriously, what does a Skyhawk with an F-16 radar give you?

Whatever, I'm just a helo driver, what do I know?

Exactly! The last time terrorists came here they arrived in a sail boat, we had Skyhawks then but I dont recall they did much to stop them. P3s however tracked them out of the area (but thats another story).

Watch it, John


That be my plane you're talking about now.... ;)

Errr.... righteo then.. you mean the A4 or the P3?:)