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ThreadBaron 16th Aug 2007 12:32

Good looking indeed! But Dainty???!!

Gainesy 16th Aug 2007 13:22

Probably get a slack handfull of these for £1 billion.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/Gainesy/sov3.jpg

6Z3 16th Aug 2007 16:36

Ah, but could it open for the MCC?

AR1 16th Aug 2007 18:01

Looks not dissimilar to an Airfix Leander as produced in about 1970, but i dont think Leander had 2 turrets up front.

I should have been building series 1/2 aircraft anyway.

WillDAQ 16th Aug 2007 19:13


Isnt the size of that superstructure contrary to stealthy design, hence allowing detection from a much larger range by attacking A/C? IE if the enemy are in range, then so are you.


Stealth is far stranger than that, so i'm sure BAES know what they're up to...

Wikipedia claims 75mile range on the ASTER 30 so that's still probably enough.

Some of the systems developed for the T45 will end up in CVF. SAMPSON comes to mind.

Hmmm... I suspect the RN would like that to happen, but it's not really needed, especially if you've got a T45 kicking around. Part of the reason CV(F) has been delayed so long is that the RN want a carrier with loads of aircraft AND Command, control, PAAMS and anything else they can think off.. oh and all for £2.50

AR1 16th Aug 2007 19:20


Stealth is far stranger than that, so i'm sure BAES know what they're up to...
Good point, B2 springs to mind.

Modern Elmo 16th Aug 2007 21:42

Isnt the size of that superstructure contrary to stealthy design, hence allowing detection from a much larger range by attacking A/C? IE if the enemy are in range, then so are you.

Nobody's air defense ship is stealthy when its main radar is transmitting.

The basic idea is to try to shoot down the incoming attackers, and, if you can't get 'em all, act as a great big radar decoy, take all the hits, and thereby spare the carrier(s).


212man 16th Aug 2007 22:16


Commander David Shutts, the ship's senior Royal Navy officer
That would be the, err..............Captain (or does this class of ship carry a more senior officer than the captain?)

glad rag 16th Aug 2007 22:44

Man that must have been so painful on runs ashore....HMS Dainty what on earth made them call a ship that?(unless they had started to run out of them (names) ) that is...

Bruiser Loose 16th Aug 2007 23:09

SNO vice CO
 
212 man,

DARING has not yet been commisioned, ergo a Commanding Officer has yet to be appointed. When HM Ships are in build or refit a Senior Naval Officer is appointed. Cdr Shutts may even be a Ginger Beer, who is overseeing the final period of the build.

Hope this clarifies the matter.

BL

621andy 17th Aug 2007 06:09


Cdr Shutts may even be a Ginger Beer
What's his sexual orientation got to do with it? Does it make him a better, more caring captain;):}

AR1 17th Aug 2007 08:47


Nobody's air defense ship is stealthy when its main radar is transmitting.
Given me username, I should have picked up on that.:O

Clockwork Mouse 17th Aug 2007 11:17

If I remember correctly from my long past association with the Andrew, destroyers and submarines are boats, not ships. Is that still the case?

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU 17th Aug 2007 11:35

Adding to what Bruiser L said, for Contractor's sea trials (ie she's still "owned" by the Contractor), she will be under the command of a Master Mariner of the Merchant Navy.

Some of those D for DARING Class destroyers did have rather nancy names; like DELIGHT, for instance.

Airfix did a Srs 1 kit of the DARING and it somewhat pre dated the LEANDER one.

Gainesy 17th Aug 2007 11:51

Getting back to the sea trials, what was the problem with the gun? As its old technology, I would have thought that it would have worked OK, or is it because its old technology?

Navaleye 17th Aug 2007 11:52

It was more to test the ships structure from the stresses of firing. The gun works well and doesn't need to be tested in its own right.

DarkBlueLoggie 17th Aug 2007 11:57


If I remember correctly from my long past association with the Andrew, destroyers and submarines are boats, not ships. Is that still the case?
Ooh, first post.

<PEDANT>
Submarines are called boats, Destroyers are not, they are ships. Destroyers are ships as they are designed for sustained deep water operations. Submarines are still called boats by dint of their historical development from semi-submersible motor-torpedo boats, and that the first ones would be carried on ships to their target area.

A general rule of them is often applied, "ships can carry boats, but boats cannot carry ships" (hence it could be argued that a submarine is not a ship as it cannot carry boats, bar special forces.. Oh never mind). This is rather to simplistic as many mega yachts can carry boats, but shouldn't be classified as ships as they are not deigned to operate effectively in the middle of, for example, the North Atlantic. They may be capable of such a voyage in benign conditions, but are not deigned so to do.
(/PEDANT>

MReyn24050 17th Aug 2007 12:43

Golf_bravo_zulu
 
As GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU stated:- Some of those D for DARING Class destroyers did have rather nancy names; like DELIGHT, for instance.
Dainty,Daring,Decoy,Defender,Delight,Diamond,Diana and Duchess with three more destroyers of the "Daring" class built for the Royal Australian Navy i.e. Vampire,Vendetta and Voyager.

Rossian 17th Aug 2007 13:03

Boats v Ships
 
I was always told that submarines were boats and everything else was a TARGET.

But that was in the old fashioned days.

The Ancient Mariner

stevehudd 17th Aug 2007 13:05

Im sure they called it HMS Darling on a big news channel. I think that would be a sweet name:p


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