Third Monkey,

Please accept that each of us have our own way of grieving. To lose a partner must be incredibly difficult to deal with, but as a parent just imagine what it must be like.

Even if they are old enough to look after themselves, your children are still your children.

Mr P.

Third Monkey
I am very sorry to hear of the loss of your husband, it must have been hard for you bringing up two children on your own.
You appear to be very angry, perhaps this recent Nimrod crash has opened up old wounds for you now.
I too feel angry at times this is all part of the grieving process I am told.
I do hope I will eventually come to terms with what has happened & find peace but it is all so raw at the moment and feels like only yesterday that we had that knock at the door.

Thirdmonkey

I am very sorry for your loss, you are obviously a great advert for the old maxim that time is a great healer.

It's been only just 12 months since XV230 went down, it's still very raw.

Everybody deals with grief in different ways, there are no rules when it comes to grieving.

Human beings are all different some sit back and take everything that life throws at them, good or bad, without question. However there are others that have the courage of their conviction to stand up and be counted, to stand up and say NO this is not acceptable. If there were not people like that in this world you and I would almost certainly be speaking German now.

Third Monkey,
I am sorry about your loss. If the point of this thread was merely to encourage those who have likewise lost loved ones it would have a somewhat limited application. It is for Tapper's Dad and others who post here to say why they do so. For myself, I have a very great concern as to what has happened to the once very effective machinery of Flight Safety in the Royal Air Force in particular. Time was when all "Incidents" that occurred in service would be the subject of reports which would build up a statistical base for action whose aim would be to prevent repetition and in particular to avoid more serious outcomes, ie accidents. Accidents in turn would be the subject of BoIs whose remit was to determine what had happened, why, and what should be done to prevent further Accidents. The action for both Incidents and Accidents was invariably forthcoming, as by spending money, the MOD would save money as well as lives. All this happens today with the glaring exception of the last sentence IMHO. Money is not spent because there is no money available, so more money and more lives are lost. That is unacceptable, and that is why people post on this thread and others. Already the airworthiness of the Hercules Fleet has been notably improved thanks to the fitting of ESF despite MOD reluctance to do so. The campaign that was conducted in part on PPRune had much to do with that achievement. Now it is the Nimrod Fleet Airworthiness that is similarly under discussion. Hence Tappers Dad's enquiries, which might lead to revelations of shortcomings in the fleet. Should it be the job of a chat site to point up such deficiencies, real or imagined? Yes, in my view, when there has been testimony here of deliberate subverting in the MOD of the Flight Safety process that I described above. The MOD's latest ploy is the DIN issued to limit such talk. They must not succeed in covering up their own inaction.

Would anyone be able to tell me the difference between Primary Maintenance and the Equalized Maintenance that XV230 had in July 2006.

Fuel Leaks Rib 7
 

I understand that in early 2006 there was a plan to bring in a team of specialist from MPI to help out with the Nimrod fuel leak problems. Does anyone know whether if this took place?

DV

Yes it did.

http://www.mpi.ltd.uk/fuelTank.asp

Fuel tank repairs.

Make your fuel tank problems our problem with MPI 24/7 specialist fuel tank repairs.

MPI 24/7 is a leading specialist in AOG and scheduled fuel tank repairs, aircraft maintenance and modifications, component and loom harness replacement and fuel tank access.

With our guaranteed response times, our unrivalled expertise of working within the Aviation sector, our competitive pricing and full warranties, we pride ourselves in offering a service that is second to none.

full warranties !!! :mad:

Full Waranties
 

Yes they have given full warranties and they have been true to their words as well.

I for one was a bit skeptical at first but they have been nothing short of fleet saving as without them, there would be even less Mighty Hunters flying around in the sandy place as there are now.

The guarantee their work and do a brilliant job. as a stop gap they have been great but the money has ran out, will we get more, who knows..................

MH AGE

“but the money has ran out, will we get more, who knows..................”


It is well known that, in similar circumstances, a certain RW IPT contacted former, retired staff, asked for their full contact details and told them they were expected to help, advise and assist as and when required. Free of Charge.

Same happened with another non-aircraft IPT when their consultancy budget ran out.

Word is they haven’t had a bite yet.

Da4orce,

What you suggesting?

santiago15
Maybe what Da4orce is suggesting is answered by MightyHunter AGE in his posting.
I understand the repairs were guaranteed for 12 mths/2000 Fg Hrs.
How many hrs a day do the Nimrods fly lets say 8 hrs so I make that 250 days.
It would appear from MightyHunter AGE posting that they have had to do further repairs within that warranty time .

MPI Fuel Leak work
 

Does anyone know when the money ran out? To within amonth or so.

DV

santiago15

I had to restrain myself, what I wanted to say was that the 'full warranty' didn't do 230 and her crew much good.

I also read warranty as guarantee, which are clearly two different things, a warranty is described as:

Was this warranty supplied by a private company? If so maybe the RAF should ask them for a recplacement jet as it's obviously not possible to repair it.

Fuel tank leak or not, just seen a report (under FOI) which states that XV230 had leaks in rib 7 area in June. Any claims made against MPI yet?

DV

You're right, I should clarify, I believe it may have been a contributing factor. Although I understand that the list of faults with the jet ran into the hundreds so it could have been one of many.

Da4orce

I realise this is an emotive subject - and you are far better informed than me. But just a thought in reply to comments like....'the list of faults with the jet ran into the hundreds'.... which will have a strong impact on most laypeople.

I once flew on a civy widebody (300+) seater, where about 1 in 3 of the rear seat entertainment centres (approx 100) weren't working. Thus this jet had at least 100 faults - but did that mean it wasn't safe to fly? Just trying to show that such comments need to be seen in context - I am most definitely not saying whether XV230 was, or was not, safe to fly on that fateful day!!

By the way..... Tappers Dad. From what I know of RAF aircraft usage I would be very surprised if any Nimrod MR2 flew 2,000 hours in less than one year!

Best wishes in your quest for answers!

Biggus

I, for one, take your point –re faults entirely. But, given the MoD’s tendency to lie through their back teeth on this subject, and the verifiable fact that in 1991 they pulled almost all funding for fault investigations – and with it the capacity to actually carry out investigations properly, resulting in an instruction to Engineering Authorities to reduce the number of requests for investigation – then I believe Tapper’s Dad and Da4orce are better to ask the questions. This may seem a long time ago, but the effects take years to manifest themselves, and when they do they are almost impossible to retrospectively correct.

The above relates primarily to electronic equipment (sea, land and air), which bore the main brunt of the cuts. The main effect on aircraft (less this equipment) was increasingly poor configuration control, which of course impacts on the ability to maintain a seamless airworthiness audit trail. On more than one occasion the Defence Select Committee has given MoD an ear-bending about this, so this is in the public domain. The problem is that the Committee don’t dig deeper or follow up, so nothing gets done.

Similarly, this doesn’t mean all aircraft and equipment are not airworthy or safe. But it does clearly demonstrate a failure of process and lack of duty of care, compounded by the prevailing view in many IPTs that these processes are a waste of money.

Tapper's Dad & Biggus:

2000hrs or 1 year, it does not matter. What is significant is that when, on 7th June 2006, XV230's Limitations Log read "Wing stations at rib 7 port and stbd not to be loaded. Fuel leaking ......", neither period had been achieved. So, I ask again, what claims have been made against MPI?

DV