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Gainesy 15th Mar 2007 16:52

A quick glance at the bull makes me think Hot Air Command is more like it.

BEagle 16th Mar 2007 06:59

"A force for good in the world"

What world-policeman evangelical tosh. "Interfering in other people's business because Mad George tells Tony to do so" would be more accurate.

BlAir Command?

Whatever happened to defending the realm?

spectre150 16th Mar 2007 07:50

Two weeks to go and I finally see some literature on this - through Pprune. Thanks for the info and links guys! It is rather disappointing that I find out about this major change in command structure through the rumour network, particularly as I work at Buckinghamshire Bunker. Well, now I know - time to go and tell my light blue colleagues (because sure as sugar they wont know either) before our NATO colleagues start asking us about Air Command - we would look pretty stupid answering them with blank stares in the 'I havent got a scooby' line.

top_cover 16th Mar 2007 08:00

Are you trying to tell me that Strike command, Support command and RAFG no longer exist?????? I heard about these expeditionary air wings, where do they expedite to????

Pontius Navigator 16th Mar 2007 08:04

There is an exped centre at Grantown, or there was, and I believe there was an exped to the South Pole recently.

spectre150 16th Mar 2007 08:16

Are the other Services going the same way - is FLEET and 2SL combining also?

Roland Pulfrew 16th Mar 2007 08:27

Are Fleet and 2SL going through this?

Apparently they started it. According to an RN colleague they are currently going through "Transformation" now.:ugh:

An Teallach 16th Mar 2007 08:29


Apparently, the objectives of re-brigading our forces into EAWs are fourfold:
  • To achieve greater operational synergy, delivering focused operational effects from the outset of a deployment.
  • To generate a more cohesive trained audience.
  • To engender more widely a greater understanding of the capability of air power.
  • To achieve a more inclusive formation identity.

It's just dawned on me where I've seen such mangled English before. It's Birtspeak! "To generate a more cohesive trained audience" must just be a straight lift from some 90's BBC management paper. For the life of me, I can think of no other explanation as to why the RAF would want a trained or cohesive audience.

Pontius Navigator 16th Mar 2007 08:35

Roland, there is a certain synergy with LAND with the Navy having been SEA for much of the previous century and before?

SEA will continue to LORD is over air and land.

nigegilb 16th Mar 2007 08:55

To engender more widely a greater understanding of the capability of air power.

Shouldn't it be ..."to engender a greater understanding......"

rather than...."to engender more widely a greater understanding.......".

Because that implies there is already a greater understanding but it just needs to be engendered more widely, whereas if "more widely" is taken out then the new command will simply engender an understanding of air power.

Err, if you see what I mean.........

Pontius Navigator 16th Mar 2007 09:27

To widely engender where no engender has been widely understood a greater understanding of the capability of air power

Strictly Jungly 16th Mar 2007 09:51

I know where this is heading.................................we will have the R.F.C. back by Christmas!!!!!!

dallas 16th Mar 2007 10:10


Originally Posted by nigegilb
To engender more widely a greater understanding of the capability of air power.

I think the implication is they already think some people know (or care) what they're on about and I'm sure those who want to get on reinforce this by nodding intelligently in briefings. Unfortunately for normal people day-to-day problems managing that capability normally keep us busy enough: we do it, not write drivel about it.

If we stopped trying to be so smug we would do a lot better. :hmm:

nigegilb 16th Mar 2007 10:29

Gotcha, it's just that engender means to bring into existence, so I was trying to figure out how you bring something into existence more widely. Hate to think that the trained audience might be confused by the new mission aims, or that they just sit there nodding.

An Teallach 16th Mar 2007 10:34

I have visions of a team of RAF Regt Drill Pigs being sent out to sandy places, drilling the natives and forming them up in 3 ranks and standing them to attention so that they may provide a more cohesive trained audience while they watch their houses being bombed back into the stone age.

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU 16th Mar 2007 10:52

So the single remaining Command in the Air Force will have the title "Air". So it has come to Air Command, Royal Air Force; and what else could it be but Air. Genius.

For some time, C in C Fleet's Organisation has been referred to as Fleet Command. Similarly, since the late '90s, the Army became a single Arm known as Land Command. So is Air Command the last piece in the British Armed Forces jigsaw puzzle? Perhaps we will all be wearing DPM as normal working rig next. If only the Canadians had done that, the experiment would have worked.

Wader2 16th Mar 2007 11:04

Down the local market yesterday they were selling a comprehnsive and natty line in DPMs etc. I rather fancied the English Oak Woodland patter meself.

Teamed up with a pair of desert boots, I was torn between US and British they would look good although the German Army black boots would look good too.

Would anyone from Land, Sea or Air even notice?

'course the next step will be to merge all 3 commands into one. Now what shall we call such an organisation?





How about SEALS?

Flame Out 16th Mar 2007 11:07

it's consultants speak of the highest order. Bullsh** to you and me. if anyone out there was involved in the sessions to craft such words could you let us know what manner and rank was involved and how long it actually took.

i hang my head in shame, as in a previous life i was the person leading such sessions.

I'm in the corner, over there if anyone wants me.:sad:

An Teallach 16th Mar 2007 11:27

re-brigading achieve synergy delivering focused generate cohesive audience engender inclusive identity

I don't know what the current rate is, but I imagine that little lot made someone a handsome little wad in "Bulls*t Bingo"

However, our bulsh*tting toerag can't be a real master of the art. Otherwise he would have opened with the masterful line:

"The overarching objectives of re-brigading our forces into EAWs are fourfold:"

Wader2 16th Mar 2007 11:28

every time I heard the phrase 'business case' I shudder. I am not in business. I am in the position of operational training to kill people. I can make a training case, an operational case, but not a business case.

I hate 'line management', I am not running a production line. I am trying to lead people to the results I require.

And the latest? Apparently business leaders are adopting the tenets of Sun Tzu - more agressive.


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