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The Daily Mail has been being used by naval and other defence interests to stir up trouble. (Gleefully picked up by the National Scot, the Metro, and Portsmouth's The News - which I think the gentleman over whose shoulder I saw it, was reading.)
'Last night a naval source told the Mail the nightmare scenario of selling a carrier to spare funds had been discussed by members of the Maritime Enterprise Planning Group, which looks at future considerations and strategies.He said: 'There's an awareness in the group that the Navy is struggling to maintain operational commitments and has to expand the fleet as rapidly as possible. 'The second carrier is an asset that is held in reserve and is a very expensive piece of rarely-used equipment. So if we want to address balance sheet issues, disposing of her or sharing her with say an AUKUS [Australia, UK and US] ally, is an option.' Last night, official sources said while the Navy remained committed to both carriers, 'changes in government and budgets' may alter this assessment. Ministers have told top brass they must 'spend better' to convince the Treasury to increase investment.' Ben Wallace was also reported to 'have told the Mail the UK had effectively been 'lying' to Nato for the last 20 years over its capabilities' Last night, Mr Wallace said: 'For the last 20 years the UK's Armed Forces have not been able to deliver to Nato what they have claimed. 'Either we fund the Armed Forces properly or future prime ministers need to admit to the public that they want Britain to be a follower not a leader on the world stage.' |
#7393 .Possibly a Wyvern,looking at the prop-disc seems contraprops,or even a Gannet..
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Originally Posted by sycamore
(Post 11606458)
#7393 .Possibly a Wyvern,looking at the prop-disc seems contraprops,or even a Gannet..
It does not look like a Wyvern or a Gannet, it’s not Wyvern or Gannet shaped, and there were no surplus Wyverns or Gannets. It’s a Firefly. |
Originally Posted by pr00ne
(Post 11606476)
It’s a Firefly! It looks like a Firefly, it’s Firefly shaped, and it makes sense as there were large numbers of surplus Fireflys around.
It does not look like a Wyvern or a Gannet, it’s not Wyvern or Gannet shaped, and there were no surplus Wyverns or Gannets. It’s a Firefly. Its a Seafire 47. |
Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz
(Post 11606492)
Nope. Although something with a contra-prop is a no-brainer for an unmanned (presumably!) launch to mitigate slipsteam effects, its not a Firefly or Wyvern, as 4 Hispano bulges are visible on the unfolding part of the wing. Only one other British naval-fighter had a contraprop.
Its a Seafire 47. |
It was the complexity of the wingfold that dissuaded me from Firefly. Subject test-vehicle clearly has a simple chordwise hinge, and demonstrates a modicum of T/E flap. Most, if not all, the Firefly's flap is on the lifting/twisting hinged section. Although most Spit/Seafires only had 2-position flaps, later marks introduced a TAKEOFF selection.
(I read that FAA pilots of early Seafire marks, when embarked, would select full flap, then flaps up whilst an air-mechanic inserted wooden wedges to jam the flaps at around 10 deg for takeoff. Once airborne, flaps momentarily to FULL, then UP and the wedges fell out!). |
Ceegar for Duncan
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Duncan has it - Seafire 47 - HMS Perseus - (Captain HA Traill CBE) Steam Catapult trials 1951 from Rosyth, off May Is. - sea trials of the prototype BXS.1 slotted-tube steam catapult - the brainchild of Commander Colin C Mitchell RNVR. - It required 20 minutes between launches. https://www.royalnavyresearcharchive...ps/PERSEUS.htm Later, Perseus went to Norfolk VA for further trials - including jet aircraft. At one stage alongside, borrowing steam from USS Eugene A Greene DD711 to prove compatibility with USN high pressure systems. The IWM has a movie compilation showing the progress of trials with the steam catapult from deadloads (alongside) to live (piloted) launchings of many RN and USN aircraft - listed in the description - which later on, omits to mention the move to the USA. . "HMS Perseus, lying alongside in the basin of Rosyth Dockyard, fires floating deadloads to test the steam catapult, which has been installed as a low superstructure on the forward end of the flightdeck. This is followed by sea trials off May Island with a series of Seafire F.47s (bearing Triumph's letter code) with their wing tips removed at the folding point - they are launched with engines running, and despite their mutilation the first aircraft fly quite successfully - one is still climbing as the camera cuts away, and flew on until its 20-gallon fuel load was exhausted. The last two aircraft have tailplanes damaged with an axe and a single 'flap' lowered, but one still manages manage to fly some distance. A series of piloted launchings follow using Firefly Mk 5/6s and Grumman Avengers, some bearing RNAS Ford markings. ..." ... https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ect/1060023478 LFH |
Sorry, I meant to say it was a Seafire! I should have said I've also seen a photo of a Sea hornet
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Sad news, Aircraft carrier C551 'Giuseppe Garibaldi' from the 1st of October 2024, will be taken out of service to be disarmed.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11606753)
Sad news, Aircraft carrier C551 'Giuseppe Garibaldi' from the 1st of October 2024, will be taken out of service to be disarmed.
any news of a repalcement? |
HMS St Albans off the wall at Devonport today and starting sea trials following the longest Type 23 frigate LIFEX refit yet (approx 58 months).
https://www.navylookout.com/end-in-s...fex-programme/ ”Despite being the youngest of the frigates, HMS St Albans has endured the longest time in LIFEX. The work involved 1.2 million man-hours including some 350 structural enhancements, PGMU and the complete removal of her two electric propulsion motors for a major overhaul….. Originally it was intended that 11 of the 13 ships would receive the Power Generation Machinery Upgrade (PGMU) but only HMS Richmond, St Albans and Sutherland will benefit from this. Essentially the upgrade involves replacing the four diesel generator sets with modern equivalents to provide much greater fuel efficiency and performance, especially in hotter climates. (More technical details here)” |
This short clip of Pathé newsreel (with usual aren't we wonderful tone commentary) includes two launches of partial airframes with Theseus's P deck letter code, so assumably is some of the same footage currently unavailable on the IWM website.
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"HMS St Albans off the wall at Devonport today and starting sea trials following the longest Type 23 frigate LIFEX refit yet (approx 58 months)."
WW2 was only about 69 months................... |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11607018)
"HMS St Albans off the wall at Devonport today and starting sea trials following the longest Type 23 frigate LIFEX refit yet (approx 58 months)."
WW2 was only about 69 months................... |
You think nearly 5 years in refit is accepteable ? Whatever the excuse?
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
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You think nearly 5 years in refit is accepteable ? Whatever the excuse?
Much like the build time for T26 it's got more to do with industrial constraints than anything else. |
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very very interesting..................... 7 months and pushing all the way.
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Lockheed Martin has been awarded a 109 million USD contract to support the integration of TRIDENT IID5 and re-entry subsystems into the Common Missile Compartment for the new DREADNOUGHT (UK) and COLUMBIA (US) SSBNs. Work is expected to be complete by end Feb 2029.
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QE has just left Portsmouth for Rosyth for her repairs. In the light of the length of time taken for the repairs to PoW, although presumably QEs will be less complex, I am still unclear how this will mesh with her planned refit. PoW was scheduled to take over as Fleet Flagship towards the end of this yrear.
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