RAF Redundancies ?
 

Has anyone got any good/latest rumours on this subject ?

Safety_Helmut

Tranche 1 results will be announced by end of this month with an exit date of Sept. Mainly engineers in this one as we don't need to maintain our ac as they're all so new and serviceability rates are so high!!

Understand that the first round was oversubscribed 2 to 1.:uhoh:

Rats and sinking ships??? Or perhaps the writing is on the wall.

"Understand that the first round was oversubscribed 2 to 1"


But its okay - Chief of the Air Staff says that "we must make those that remain feel like they are the winners."


I'm staying just for that

I am sure I will "win" more overseas deployments to sandy places as the number of people left to fill the slots reduces BUT THE COMMITMENT DOESN'T! And the 09.39 entry in the "Where do they get this c***" thread talks about plans for an RAF of 35,000 by the next decade, more redundancies to come??


Still, it is nice to see that the new LSA caters for people who have been deployed for up to 9 years in their careers!

I don't think there will be any more redundancy, they'll achieve the 35,000 by posting another 15,000 to Iraq and Mr Brown will refuse to pay for them when they get there - they will just be missing!!!

Believe that those with an exit date 2008 or before won't be in the frame, just 'natural wastage'.

I believe they will reach 41000 by suppporting everyone the way they are doing at the moment. Bring back Thatcher I need a payrise!!!!

So with 51000 personnel currently and 474 aircraft (108 persons per aircraft) how can redundancies be achieved with so few people per airplane?

I'm sure someone in the Treasury can answer that one.:mad:

WorkingHard,

"474 aircraft"

????????????

Where do you get that figure from?

I think it's a fair whack more than that.....................

Tranche 2 is supposed to be announced 23 Mar 05 with applications in Apr. This could be the start of the floodgates, but then again we've been there before. Everyone I speak to is coinsidering their options, but few actually do anything about it. The hierarchy know that even if people want to leave, the security of income and school allowances etc mean people can't afford to.

"Where do you get that figure from?

I think it's a fair whack more than that....................."

Well that is what is quoted by the RAF website. I did naturally exclude the gliders.

A thread requesting rumours on a rumour website, how could I resist?

Only half a dozen rumours doing the rounds at Lyneham.

Innsworth have realised that the end of March clashes with the Easter break, and we might get some news before Easter.

The redundancy board may 'borrow' some places from Tranche 2, in the interests of minimising the pain, and to save on more paperwork.

Innsworth have received a large amount of PVR's recently. (I'm not sure if this is good or bad)

The Medical Centre at Lyneham are investigating the above average caseload of people reporting sick for 'stress'.

All the WO's that have applied for it have got it.


Just rumours, of course. One of the above rumours was started for a joke, to see how fast it would travel!

I must stop going to the Old Folks Home for lunch.

"Just rumours, of course. One of the above rumours was started for a joke, to see how fast it would travel!"

I guess that will be the one saying there is only half a dozen rumours doing the rounds at Lyneham :D

Rumours from Lyneham
 

SPHL

That was the kind of rumour I was fishing for. Rumour circulating Wyton that Fairy/DF Chiefs undersubscribed, I find that very hard to believe though.

This rumour came from a mate who's sister works with a bloke who does the garden of a chap who's mum cleans offices with a woman who also works on the checkouts at Tesco, she is married to a supplier who's brother is in the Army who lives on quarters next to someone who drinks in the mess with the Wobbly from PSF who knows somebody in PMA who knows all the gen.

So it must be true.

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Safety_Helmut

Heard 80% of those in the bracket applied! Therefore the 20% who didn't are probably Fairy/DF Cheifs then! I know 2 of these who have just PVR'd anyway to go and work for BAe for what amounts to more money with their pension and without the hastle of dets/OOA Guard Cmdr etc etc. Watch out for the PVRs from all those disappointed with not getting redundancy when the 3 tranches are finished. Talk about flood gates. Still the RN boys who are taking over at two secret airbases in middle England could fill the gaps once they're trained on non maritime types!Or the Army boys could be seconded in from the Apache to fill the gaps! Heaven help us!

Has the postie been?
 

Anyone got their nice/nasty letters yet?
Rumour mongers say they have been posted out.

FatBaldandnoteligibleforredundancy:8

"Anyone got their nice/nasty letters yet?"

Interesting one that. I assume that peoples definitions of what is a nice letter will vary somewhat depending on their viewpoint
:D

Has the postie been?
 

Three types of letter I suppose.

Nice Got what you applied for - Redundancy

Nasty Got compulsory redundancy - you are unwanted/unloved/useless/surplus to requirements (delete as appropriate)

Absolutely Devastating Didn't get redundancy having applied for it. (apply for next tranche)

Safety_Helmut

Absolutely Devastatingly Nasty Got compulsory redundancy with four kids in boarding school

Absolutely Totally Completely Devastatingly Nasty would be turning you down and posting you to the DLO :8

Tranche 2
 

Due on 1 Apr, now forecast to be around 7th :mad: even redundancies are late again.

Desk types working (loose term) overtime to sort out who to move to where when the names are issued at the ed of next week.:E

You couldn't get much looser than that, does anybody know of a shiney who has ever done a days work ?

I take it "overtime" refers to working in the afternoons ?

:ouch:

Safety_Helmut

Does this delay mean my out date won't be End Sep 05 as they give 6 months notice? This also means the money goes down as the month slip will put me into a year less to do so 3 months wages lost as my severance. Can I sue?:E

Can I sue?
 

HOODED

I would love to be a fly on the wall when you asked that question of your local shineys.


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Safety_Helmut

You will be witnessing HOODED being made a fool of.

He appears to have applied for redundancy without reading the DCI.

Or reading L1A2's post.

:ok:

Unless he posts on Prune when drunk, and I can't condone that.

I read the DCI don't worry about that and yes it was tongue in cheek. It just beggars belief that they can't even get something as important as this right and on the published timescales. They'll be announcing the ranks and trades for the next tranche soon and maybe before those who applied on the last one find out if they got it! How stupid is that! I wonder if they'll end up with enough people of the right skills and experience to do the job at the end of it all. Thats why I applied I don't want to be there when it all crumbles completely.:(

When are we gonna kick out f@@king scribblers who keep getting my wages wrong time and time again or a$$hole scuffers who wont even do guard "because it is not their job" types or the SWOs wot the hell do they do that is of valuable service to the RAF christ a man on WO money walking round checking my bloody rucksack has a great big eagle advertising "shoot me" on it or stackers who never have the kit/ heard of the kit/ scaled for the kit/ or just plain selling the kit in Helmswell market or Drivers who cant drive / wont drive or forgot how to drive never had an MT driver in my life these are people who should go bloody useless b@stards just getting fat and lazy cant pass a fitness test sweaty gits who need a kick up the rse to get them to do co**all and then it needs done twice or more

HOODED you are still not reading the messages. L1A2 indicated that they have delayed the announcement of the tagets for Tranche 2. Probably because they want to make sure that they do NOT make the mistake you alluded to. So, despite your opinion, they are not as stupid as you say they are....

DP, well spotted. The application and selection timescales will be as previously advertised in the DCI. Hopefully there will be a slot for me to jump into. :D

Badger Baiter,

So what do YOU think about the redundancies and cutting back of engineering manpower then?

You can tell us straight, no need to hold back!!

:p :p :p :p

How Many Fairy Chiefs are there?
 

In the DCI for the first Tranche the amount of Fairy Chiefs that were required for redundancy was 70.

Can anyone tell me what percentage of all the fairy chiefs this is.

I've tried guessing at this but to no accuracy.

By the way I am a Fairy Chief and Yes I am waiting for a letter.

"How many Fairy Chiefs are there ?"
 

paradigm shift

The information can be found on the PMA website, can't remember exactly where, its in page which details the varying times in post across all ranks and trades.

From memory I believe there are about 700, this includes all those who have had the latest lecky update (assimilation) to learn about fuses, wires and bulbs (filaments).

Hope you get what you are after. ;)


Safety_Helmut

Look dont get me wrong if a branch is needing an overhaul then so be it however my general impression is that Eng branch do a terrific job getting what is on the ground in the air. I just hate these time wasters getting a break when skilled hard working guys a getting the chop especially if it means no reduction in workload throughout the airforce i man if they cut thousends from the RAF why not get rid of all the support staff too.

Branch needing overhaul! I think the Eng trade has had enough overhaul recently, self supervision, multi skilling,lean practice. All this was a way of reducing manpower at the workface/being more efficient!! Don't know if it's just my unit but the engineers are working very hard to try and produce enough ac to meet the program. Not enough trade cover on some shifts,leave denied due to high workload/no of detachments. This is before the cuts in manpower take effect through redundancies.
I agree the blunties need a cull however, they can all take an afternoon off to go on the PI*S at the drop of a hat, the engineers can have a single shift beercall after work with the other shift invited if they can get away early - they rarely can!
Things won't get any better after the manpower cuts as workloads are due to continue to climb to record levels. Still who needs a family life? It's time to go, and if I don't get the type of letter paradigm is hoping for then PVR will follow. There comes a time when not being given the resources by our lords and masters means you can't do the job to the standard proffesional pride dictates. Sad but there are a lot of experienced engineers out there who are about to leave due to the lack of reality at the top of the RAF.

First of all I am not 'having a go' at anybody! There is much talk on this thread of people leaving en mass, redundancy over subscribed, PVR applications going through the roof, etc. Now I have been in the RAF for more years than I care to remember, and have heard such talk on numerous occasions before. Usually it fails to materialise, a fact I think our lords and masters bank on. Yes, I know FRI for aircrew was bought in to improve a retention problem, but that was against a gradual decline in numbers over a period of time, as opposed to large losses in the short term.

Are we actually going to see a large outflow, either through redundancy or PVR, in the next 18 months? Alternatively will people stay in through a combination of circumstances (e.g kids at boarding school as mentioned) but be even more disillusioned than before? Or will the numbers of leavers just increase over the medium term?

As far as pilots go, when even now ba are starting to offer employment to ab initio students who haven't even taken their IRs, the prospect of retaining ME pilots (without brats in boarding school) for yet more adventures in stone age aeroplanes between desert $hitholes seems rather optimistic, I would hazard....

Biggus

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and have heard such talk on numerous occasions before. Usually it fails to materialise
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You are spot on. So many times I have heard people say they would leave but they never did. Lord knows I said it myself for a number of years before taking the plunge. Management know that in most cases it is an idle threat.

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Are we actually going to see a large outflow, either through redundancy or PVR, in the next 18 months?
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In my view, absolutely not. People in the RAF become slowly institutionalised over the years making an exit seem much harder than it really is. Most of the guys and gals will continue plodding on as they have done. Perhaps morale will get lower and whingeing will increase. The bottom line is the MOD will continue to dump on people in order to get the Governments job done and there are always people willing to be dumped on in return for promises of jam tomorrow. That’s the way it has always been and I see no agenda for change in the medium term.

Beagle

Since there is an apparent large surplus of ME pilots then I suspect that was always going to be that way.

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Are we actually going to see a large outflow, either through redundancy or PVR, in the next 18 months?
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Yes we are! 1000s going through redundancy is a large outflow in anyones book. PVRs will increase with the dissillusioned who don't get it going anyway! It happened on the last lot of redundancy and it'll happen again.
I'm sure this has been taken into account, what hasn't is the efect that cutting through the bone this time will have. I for one have never seen the levels of dissalusionment in the 25+ years in the mob thats arround today. Granted not everyone who complains will leave but as those left behind see comitments failing to reduce and less and less available to do the OOA, Guard, detachments etc, then we will see what happens. I'd bet FRI will return as the aircrew see monthly hours reduce not just through cost of fuel cuts but through less serviceable ac available. Cuts in spares and Eng manpower will have an effect in the end.