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Can someone tell me what the qualification peroid in country was for a Gulf War I campane medal and how that compared with the Falklands and also speculate about the present conflict qualification peroid.
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If the Gulf War II is an extension to GW I as many have stated, then I would only expect a Bar to the original medal for those that have `attended` both.
Obviously the Gulf I medal to those in the area for the first time.
I suspect that after the conflict the "reward" will be a newly struck medal.
AL1 GW I has the dates on the reverse side, so a new one will be required, besides which, the US troops wil get several medals
Obviously the Gulf I medal to those in the area for the first time.
I suspect that after the conflict the "reward" will be a newly struck medal.
AL1 GW I has the dates on the reverse side, so a new one will be required, besides which, the US troops wil get several medals
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Gentlemen,
I regret to say that I am still waiting for my Gulf War 1 medal. During the said 'punch up' I flew NATO E-3As from GK, out of Antalya and Konya in support of the Op (NATO name 'Anchor Guard')
Despite 'qualifying as per the DCI/GAI we were informed (unofficially of course) that it was 'politically unacceptable' to admit that UK aircrew were flying on NATO missions, and therefore we were NOT entitled.
How pathetic, sad and disgraceful, particularly in view of what the E-3D boys do - virtually all NATO sorties. I have raised the said issue time and time again, but come up against the usual brick wall. I have now raised it with the CAS, maybe he can pull a few strings - you never know!
I am not desperate for another medal, but it would have been nice to have had something to show the grand-kids when they grow up. And indeed, because I think we all deserved it. Every other nationality from the E-3As got their individual national medal - all except that is, the Brits. Shame on you RAF hierarchy.
Rant over, back to bed!! Night Night
The Swinging Monkey
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I regret to say that I am still waiting for my Gulf War 1 medal. During the said 'punch up' I flew NATO E-3As from GK, out of Antalya and Konya in support of the Op (NATO name 'Anchor Guard')
Despite 'qualifying as per the DCI/GAI we were informed (unofficially of course) that it was 'politically unacceptable' to admit that UK aircrew were flying on NATO missions, and therefore we were NOT entitled.
How pathetic, sad and disgraceful, particularly in view of what the E-3D boys do - virtually all NATO sorties. I have raised the said issue time and time again, but come up against the usual brick wall. I have now raised it with the CAS, maybe he can pull a few strings - you never know!
I am not desperate for another medal, but it would have been nice to have had something to show the grand-kids when they grow up. And indeed, because I think we all deserved it. Every other nationality from the E-3As got their individual national medal - all except that is, the Brits. Shame on you RAF hierarchy.
Rant over, back to bed!! Night Night
The Swinging Monkey
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...and every other nation (except Canada) also permits its servicemen to wear the Saudi and Kuwaiti medals which they were awarded for GW1!
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7 days between 16 Jan and 23 Feb 1991 for the medal and clasp '16 Jan 23 Feb'
I think you got the medal with a rosette if you did 30 days continuous or 90 accumulated between 3 Aug 1990 and 15 Jan 1991.
If you were in Kuwait on 2 Aug 1990, medal and clasp '2 Aug'.
And 90 days on the beach in Cyprus got you the medal without clasp.
I think you got the medal with a rosette if you did 30 days continuous or 90 accumulated between 3 Aug 1990 and 15 Jan 1991.
If you were in Kuwait on 2 Aug 1990, medal and clasp '2 Aug'.
And 90 days on the beach in Cyprus got you the medal without clasp.
Yes - the originals are a bit tacky. The ribbons are rather better than the medals themselves!
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I think some of the reasoning behind you not being awarded a Gulf medal is an AGAI that prevents being awarded 2 medals for the same operation. The fact that you were deployed on a NATO operation in support of coalition operations means that your NATO deployment may have prevented you from also being awarded a Gulf medal irrespective of your actual role. If there was no award for Op Anchor Guard then you would not be entitled to "claim" a Gulf medal in lieu.
A number of soldiers have been caught by this because they deployed with NATO forces in support of UN troops in the former Yugoslavia. Although many of the soldiers deployed with NATO worked alongside the support elements of the peace-keeping troops they were not entitled to claim the UN Bosnia medal and clasp. NATO did not authorise the striking of a medal for work in support of the UN, and as the deployments were under the banner of the UN there was no entitlement to either the issue of the GSM or a clasp if the GSM had already been awarded.
I agree with you tho, you do the time in theatre, you should be able to claim the medal.
I think some of the reasoning behind you not being awarded a Gulf medal is an AGAI that prevents being awarded 2 medals for the same operation. The fact that you were deployed on a NATO operation in support of coalition operations means that your NATO deployment may have prevented you from also being awarded a Gulf medal irrespective of your actual role. If there was no award for Op Anchor Guard then you would not be entitled to "claim" a Gulf medal in lieu.
A number of soldiers have been caught by this because they deployed with NATO forces in support of UN troops in the former Yugoslavia. Although many of the soldiers deployed with NATO worked alongside the support elements of the peace-keeping troops they were not entitled to claim the UN Bosnia medal and clasp. NATO did not authorise the striking of a medal for work in support of the UN, and as the deployments were under the banner of the UN there was no entitlement to either the issue of the GSM or a clasp if the GSM had already been awarded.
I agree with you tho, you do the time in theatre, you should be able to claim the medal.
JohnB
Sorry to be pedantic but I think you will find that the Gulf medal was awarded to those that were deemed elligible by their location. This included Cyprus based troops who received the medal but no bar(s). The two bars awarded were location and date related, as stated by the dates on them, ie, 2 Aug 90 or 16 Jan-28 Feb 91. The rosette is only worn on the medal ribbon when the medal is not being worn, ie, when wearing your tunic when not wearing your medals. The rosette denotes you are entitled to one or both of the bars. Again i refer to Cyprus based troops who received the medal but no bars and subsequently do not wear a rosette.
The Falklands was a slightly different matter as it was again location and date specific but if you served south of a line of latitude you were also awarded a rosette. This is worn on both the ribbbon and on the medal. Troops serving in the Ascension Islands received the medal only.
Your statement regarding continuous service etc is tosh! The rosette simply means you are entitled to a bar.
Sorry to be pedantic but I think you will find that the Gulf medal was awarded to those that were deemed elligible by their location. This included Cyprus based troops who received the medal but no bar(s). The two bars awarded were location and date related, as stated by the dates on them, ie, 2 Aug 90 or 16 Jan-28 Feb 91. The rosette is only worn on the medal ribbon when the medal is not being worn, ie, when wearing your tunic when not wearing your medals. The rosette denotes you are entitled to one or both of the bars. Again i refer to Cyprus based troops who received the medal but no bars and subsequently do not wear a rosette.
The Falklands was a slightly different matter as it was again location and date specific but if you served south of a line of latitude you were also awarded a rosette. This is worn on both the ribbbon and on the medal. Troops serving in the Ascension Islands received the medal only.
Your statement regarding continuous service etc is tosh! The rosette simply means you are entitled to a bar.
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Sloppy - you are right
I was wrong about the accumulated service bit and the rosette. But then I did start with 'I think'...
Checked around various palces and the medal was awarded to personnel who had thirty days continuous service in the Middle East (including Cyprus) between 2 August 1990 and 7 March 1991, or seven days between 16 January 1991 and 28 February 1991, or service with the Kuwait Liaison Team on 2 August 1990, the date of the Iraqi invasion.
I was wrong about the accumulated service bit and the rosette. But then I did start with 'I think'...
Checked around various palces and the medal was awarded to personnel who had thirty days continuous service in the Middle East (including Cyprus) between 2 August 1990 and 7 March 1991, or seven days between 16 January 1991 and 28 February 1991, or service with the Kuwait Liaison Team on 2 August 1990, the date of the Iraqi invasion.
