More fun & games in the Magic Kingdom
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More fun & games in the Magic Kingdom
More fun and games in the magic kingdom. British expat and BWoS employee (married, with family in Kingdom) shot and killed while waiting at traffic lights in Riyadh. Unsure if the poor bloke was a target of opportunity or if he was selected because he was a Brit. Apparently the offender has been arrested, and is now being flogged with a wet tissue.
BWoS have advised dependants leave the Kingdom. The blokes have to stay a continue being target practice for *******s (oops - Saudi nationals)!
About three weeks a car load of *******s (oops - Saudi nationals) took pot shots ago another BWoS employee as he was driving around town. About 2 months ago another BWoS employee got monstered by another group of *******s (oops - Saudi nationals) and threatened with a knife.
Quite difficult going to work and being nice to the very same people that would happily shoot you later!
Beginning of the end methinks.
BWoS have advised dependants leave the Kingdom. The blokes have to stay a continue being target practice for *******s (oops - Saudi nationals)!
About three weeks a car load of *******s (oops - Saudi nationals) took pot shots ago another BWoS employee as he was driving around town. About 2 months ago another BWoS employee got monstered by another group of *******s (oops - Saudi nationals) and threatened with a knife.
Quite difficult going to work and being nice to the very same people that would happily shoot you later!
Beginning of the end methinks.
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The Sauds have one of the nastiest regimes on the planet, supporting all sorts of terror groups. I'm surprised this sort of thing hasn't happened before. I guess that's why BWoS pay their employees a shed load of money to be in Saudi. My sympathy to the family of the dead man, of course. No doubt the company will issue some advice firmly bolting the stable door behind the fleeing horse.
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Maxb,
It has been happening before. The Saudi's just have been placing the blame on alcohol smuggling. Since I have been in Saudi, the death toll of western expats is now up to five. The next couple of weeks could be very interesting.
I just wish they would bloody get on with it and stop farting about!!!!
It has been happening before. The Saudi's just have been placing the blame on alcohol smuggling. Since I have been in Saudi, the death toll of western expats is now up to five. The next couple of weeks could be very interesting.
I just wish they would bloody get on with it and stop farting about!!!!
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Interesting to see that the British Embassy in Riyadh have issued a warden notice that effectively dispels any belief in the alcohol theory the Saudis used to deflect opinion and blame away from Saudi nationals in the bombing cases.
I wonder if the FO will now openly challenge the Saudis to release the innocent prisoners they still hold and are probably still torturing? Or is money the only commodity that talks?
I wonder if the FO will now openly challenge the Saudis to release the innocent prisoners they still hold and are probably still torturing? Or is money the only commodity that talks?
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BWos have made what appears to be..........a DECISION
(of course it took an employee to be murdered by one of the charming local populace to do it
)
Dependants are to leave the Kingdom ASAP - but the guys have to stay
But it's OK, BWoS will pay for their car windows to be blacked out. Apparently blacked out windows can deflect an AK47 round.
(of course it took an employee to be murdered by one of the charming local populace to do it )Dependants are to leave the Kingdom ASAP - but the guys have to stay
But it's OK, BWoS will pay for their car windows to be blacked out. Apparently blacked out windows can deflect an AK47 round.
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Soddim,
BWoS in Funsville have strongly recommended that dependants leg it. One or two resignations already recieved as well.
Soddim,
Sorry, my last post wasn't clear. The company have strongly recommended dependants go home, and most are taking up the offer - wisely, in my view. I reckon things are going to get worse before (and IF) they get better.
BWoS in Funsville have strongly recommended that dependants leg it. One or two resignations already recieved as well.
Soddim,
Sorry, my last post wasn't clear. The company have strongly recommended dependants go home, and most are taking up the offer - wisely, in my view. I reckon things are going to get worse before (and IF) they get better.
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Taken from this mornings Arab News......
Canadians Told to Leave
Agence France Presse
RIYADH, 28 February 2003 — Canada said yesterday it had asked relatives of Canadian staff at its embassy here to leave Saudi Arabia, and urged citizens to seriously consider leaving as well. In a new warden message, the embassy cited the “uncertainty of the situation in the Middle East and the Gulf” and the “heightened risk to Canadians in Saudi Arabia.” The message advised Canadians against traveling to Saudi Arabia, and said that, if their presence in the Kingdom “is not essential, they should leave.”
And.....
DAMMAM, 28 February 2003 — A man who allegedly attempted to throw a Molotov cocktail into a McDonald’s restaurant in Dammam two days ago has been arrested, Al-Watan quoted an official from the Interior Ministry as announcing. Police say that at approximately 6:15 p.m. last Tuesday a man threw at the restaurant a bottle containing the flammable substance while he was driving past it. No one was injured. The suspect, who was arrested two hours later, denies any involvement in the incident, claiming that material found on his clothing was from his work as a car mechanic.
Interesting times ahead.......
Mutt.
Canadians Told to Leave
Agence France Presse
RIYADH, 28 February 2003 — Canada said yesterday it had asked relatives of Canadian staff at its embassy here to leave Saudi Arabia, and urged citizens to seriously consider leaving as well. In a new warden message, the embassy cited the “uncertainty of the situation in the Middle East and the Gulf” and the “heightened risk to Canadians in Saudi Arabia.” The message advised Canadians against traveling to Saudi Arabia, and said that, if their presence in the Kingdom “is not essential, they should leave.”
And.....
DAMMAM, 28 February 2003 — A man who allegedly attempted to throw a Molotov cocktail into a McDonald’s restaurant in Dammam two days ago has been arrested, Al-Watan quoted an official from the Interior Ministry as announcing. Police say that at approximately 6:15 p.m. last Tuesday a man threw at the restaurant a bottle containing the flammable substance while he was driving past it. No one was injured. The suspect, who was arrested two hours later, denies any involvement in the incident, claiming that material found on his clothing was from his work as a car mechanic.
Interesting times ahead.......
Mutt.
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Captain Sand Dune - Interesting times indeed. Thanks for the clarification.
Hope you and all those who have tried to bring those undeserving sons of camel herders into the 21st century make it out of there safely with enuff money to satisfy our greedy little Brown scotsman!
Hope you and all those who have tried to bring those undeserving sons of camel herders into the 21st century make it out of there safely with enuff money to satisfy our greedy little Brown scotsman!
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It's going down the pan. Company advise us to stay in hotel or travel in large groups. Company-issue mobile phone unlikely to be useful in self-defence
We're down in Jeddah - home of the Hajj. Harrasment, constant police searches, and had to run away, sharpish, from a decent sized mob in the soukh.
All flights through Bahrain cancelled as per FO advice and I was delighted to see one of our aircraft in full livery at Brize on the BBC, loading troops for Kuwait. What a publicity coup that was
Suggest buying a Chevvy Caprice, a hammer, sun-tan lotion and a fake beard. Apply hammer to Chevvy, sun-tan lotion and beard to face. Urban camouflage - I'm almost an expert !
We're down in Jeddah - home of the Hajj. Harrasment, constant police searches, and had to run away, sharpish, from a decent sized mob in the soukh.
All flights through Bahrain cancelled as per FO advice and I was delighted to see one of our aircraft in full livery at Brize on the BBC, loading troops for Kuwait. What a publicity coup that was
Suggest buying a Chevvy Caprice, a hammer, sun-tan lotion and a fake beard. Apply hammer to Chevvy, sun-tan lotion and beard to face. Urban camouflage - I'm almost an expert !
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I doubt that this post will survive the censor - sorry, moderator - for long but some folks in the magic kingdom might just be tempted to think badly of all Muslims right now. The leader of UK's Muslims sets the record on this score straight as follows:
How Islam became intolerant
To the New Statesman
Ziauddin Sardar is one of those Muslim scholars who shakes the believers from their sleep. He highlights four categories of mistakes which have turned a "humane and open-minded" religion into a most intolerant creed. His conclusion that "the agony of being a Muslim in the 21st century is self-inflicted" is not open to dispute. Muslims have yet to come to grips with their political decline. Having contributed so much to the stock of human knowledge, one wonders how the same people could acquire the characteristics of the ignorant. However, this is the history of the rise and fall of civilisations according to the Koran. A people rise when they excel in creating ideas and decline when others, their contemporaries, are able to create better or more powerful ideas. The Muslim decline began when their learned agreed, in the 11 th century, that henceforth the doors of intellectual reasoning (ijtehad) were closed. Blind following of precedent (taqlid) set by the forebears (aslaf) became a standard mark of their thought processes. When eventually the Muslim political systems collapsed in the 19th century, Muslims refused to draw me logical conclusions. They failed to recognise that new sciences, philosophies and ways of running the state economy and human relations had emerged elsewhere to dominate men's actions. No amount of piety or closeness to God would save them from humiliation.
The events surrounding September 11th have shaken the majority of thinking people within the Muslim community. They feel that if fundamentalists be not repudiated from within, then Muslims will be marginalised and criminalised beyond recovery. Herein lies the opportunity for scholars to lead an intellectual movement. Islam must be rescued from insanity and emerge again as a force of justice and fairness.
Dr G. Siddiqui. Leader of the UK Muslim Parliament
How Islam became intolerant
To the New Statesman
Ziauddin Sardar is one of those Muslim scholars who shakes the believers from their sleep. He highlights four categories of mistakes which have turned a "humane and open-minded" religion into a most intolerant creed. His conclusion that "the agony of being a Muslim in the 21st century is self-inflicted" is not open to dispute. Muslims have yet to come to grips with their political decline. Having contributed so much to the stock of human knowledge, one wonders how the same people could acquire the characteristics of the ignorant. However, this is the history of the rise and fall of civilisations according to the Koran. A people rise when they excel in creating ideas and decline when others, their contemporaries, are able to create better or more powerful ideas. The Muslim decline began when their learned agreed, in the 11 th century, that henceforth the doors of intellectual reasoning (ijtehad) were closed. Blind following of precedent (taqlid) set by the forebears (aslaf) became a standard mark of their thought processes. When eventually the Muslim political systems collapsed in the 19th century, Muslims refused to draw me logical conclusions. They failed to recognise that new sciences, philosophies and ways of running the state economy and human relations had emerged elsewhere to dominate men's actions. No amount of piety or closeness to God would save them from humiliation.
The events surrounding September 11th have shaken the majority of thinking people within the Muslim community. They feel that if fundamentalists be not repudiated from within, then Muslims will be marginalised and criminalised beyond recovery. Herein lies the opportunity for scholars to lead an intellectual movement. Islam must be rescued from insanity and emerge again as a force of justice and fairness.
Dr G. Siddiqui. Leader of the UK Muslim Parliament
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About 6 months ago the Saudi education minister was questioned on Saudi schools. He said that 15% of the content of Saudi school textbooks preached anti-western hatred, and perhaps this should be looked at. I think he meant he thought 15% was too much... I hope.