American Intelligence
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From: Downeast
Tuggles...sweetie ...you give me more credit than I am due. Have never been an NRA member....bumper stickers are a liberal thing anyhow....every day I go to work I never know if I will be dodging lead. Thus far, no jabs of exotic vaccines have been offered but when they are...I will take them. I have had the smallpox vaccine twice in my life and will take it a third time if it is offered. Being an old man, I have to sit this one out. I did my time in combat...got the scars to show for it. Unfortunately, war is a young man's game....and old horses like myself get put to pasture too soon.
But dear Tuggles....my concept of gun control is sight alignment and trigger squeeze.....and shot placement. I believe in individual freedom including free speech. You are welcome to blatter on as you wish....that is the beauty of a free democratic society and not a fascist state. However, one must remember that we are judged by our statements and how we buttress our intellectual arguments. In that regard, Tuggles old bean.....you lose face.
You do serve a good example though Tuggie....reminds me of the old saying...."Who is the Fool....the Fool or the man arguing with the Fool?" I do not wish to engage you in a war of wits.....I don't wish to fight the unarmed...twouldn't be sporting you know. So be the gentleman Tugs....you would be the better for it.
But dear Tuggles....my concept of gun control is sight alignment and trigger squeeze.....and shot placement. I believe in individual freedom including free speech. You are welcome to blatter on as you wish....that is the beauty of a free democratic society and not a fascist state. However, one must remember that we are judged by our statements and how we buttress our intellectual arguments. In that regard, Tuggles old bean.....you lose face.
You do serve a good example though Tuggie....reminds me of the old saying...."Who is the Fool....the Fool or the man arguing with the Fool?" I do not wish to engage you in a war of wits.....I don't wish to fight the unarmed...twouldn't be sporting you know. So be the gentleman Tugs....you would be the better for it.
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From: Lincolnshire
A few years ago another country was also trying to get weapons of mass destruction, before that wonderful euphemism was invented. It was decided by the powers that be that a pre-emptive strike was needed. It was assummed that the good old brits would fall into line and provide up to 20 bomber groups.
The date, 1947, the plan - Drop Shot, and the date for the party, 1957. Unfortunately the atom spies spoilt the surprise and told the host. War was averted and instead we settled for an arms race.
Who said the atom spies were all bad?
The date, 1947, the plan - Drop Shot, and the date for the party, 1957. Unfortunately the atom spies spoilt the surprise and told the host. War was averted and instead we settled for an arms race.
Who said the atom spies were all bad?
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From: Spain
Its just a thought but, regardless of Bliar's dire presentational skills, in spite of Powell's less than watertight evidence and in spite of the UN's toothless inability, the right thing for the UK to do is to back up our best friend in the world, the USA. Remember WW2?
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From: City of Culture
For what purpose? That is the question is it not. Does anyone really know whats going on? is it about WMD, is Blair CIA, why are France and Germany willing to destroy NATO and the UNSC over iraq. Questions questions questions that no one seems to be answering.
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From: Telopea Street
The UN accepts the fact that Iraq had known stocks of specific "WMD" at specific times in the 1990's.
Since then some would have expired but the UN teams have found none of the others nor seen Iraqi proof that they had been destroyed.........which may infer that the stuff is hidden and still deployable - to state the bleedin' obvious.
This alone places Iraq in breach of its agreement with the UN.
More seriously, the material is stealable and transferable to terrorist groups - despite Saddam killing Iraqi fundamentalists at every opportunity and having no cultural connection with Islamic groups, can we rely on his security of hidden WMD as being our security against their theft/capture and use by such groups ? Iraqi deception for the purpose of retaining WMD for Iraqi use increases the time available for terrorists to steal it.
The only way to remove the deception and plus locate the material is regime change, hence invasion.
Lets not be too distracted by phone intecepts and "war for oil" moralising.
Since then some would have expired but the UN teams have found none of the others nor seen Iraqi proof that they had been destroyed.........which may infer that the stuff is hidden and still deployable - to state the bleedin' obvious.
This alone places Iraq in breach of its agreement with the UN.
More seriously, the material is stealable and transferable to terrorist groups - despite Saddam killing Iraqi fundamentalists at every opportunity and having no cultural connection with Islamic groups, can we rely on his security of hidden WMD as being our security against their theft/capture and use by such groups ? Iraqi deception for the purpose of retaining WMD for Iraqi use increases the time available for terrorists to steal it.
The only way to remove the deception and plus locate the material is regime change, hence invasion.
Lets not be too distracted by phone intecepts and "war for oil" moralising.
Last edited by Kev Rivkin; 11th February 2003 at 03:17.
