Shuttle Columbia breaks up during re-enry
Perhaps it would be appropriate to stop making guesses as to what went wrong, and leave that to the investigating team. At least for the immediate time. Perhaps it would be more respectful to refrain from trying to make such guess for perhaps a few weeks?
RIP the brave souls who gave their lives for ALL mankind.
RIP the brave souls who gave their lives for ALL mankind.
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quote:Would YOU get on an aircraft that you were told was U/S and critically damaged?
This being read before posting; they didn't get on an ac (or sc) which was damaged. It was perfectly servicable and became not so - somehow - after they got on it.
This being read before posting; they didn't get on an ac (or sc) which was damaged. It was perfectly servicable and became not so - somehow - after they got on it.
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"There would be enough food/supplies on board for 2 months for all pers on the ISS. "
Used Ink - Columbia didn't visit the ISS. It didn't have enough fuel to reach the ISS. It was not equipped to dock with the ISS. [I don't think it ever has]. In short, they were going to have to land within a day or so, and with absolutely ne means of carrying out external repairs there was no point in any delay.
Used Ink - Columbia didn't visit the ISS. It didn't have enough fuel to reach the ISS. It was not equipped to dock with the ISS. [I don't think it ever has]. In short, they were going to have to land within a day or so, and with absolutely ne means of carrying out external repairs there was no point in any delay.
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OK, Blue Wolf, strictly true, however it was an analogous statement in that a stop off at the ISS was possible.
How come no-one has mentioned the lives of the rats on board yet?
How come no-one has mentioned the lives of the rats on board yet?
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STM, thank you for your comments.
If you were ever to follow the progress of the ISS on
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata...ing/index.html
You would be able to see both the orbits of the ISS and shuttle in orbit at that time. Strictly speaking the orbits were different, but in altitude.
All Shuttles have an emergency docking capability.
Reference your "NO WAY"
"YES WAY"
Thank you all for participating with this thread.
Unfortunately, now my bags are packed, I must once again, travel down the M1 to a forgotten wilderness somewhere in the south of england.
Should I manage to get online during the week, I shall be keeping an eye to see how you all are.
Postie, not bad eh, over 4 hrs and still no-one with any attachment to NASA turned up, and its still daytime there.
"I feel my work here is complete!"
If you were ever to follow the progress of the ISS on
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata...ing/index.html
You would be able to see both the orbits of the ISS and shuttle in orbit at that time. Strictly speaking the orbits were different, but in altitude.
All Shuttles have an emergency docking capability.
Reference your "NO WAY"
"YES WAY"
Thank you all for participating with this thread.
Unfortunately, now my bags are packed, I must once again, travel down the M1 to a forgotten wilderness somewhere in the south of england.
Should I manage to get online during the week, I shall be keeping an eye to see how you all are.
Postie, not bad eh, over 4 hrs and still no-one with any attachment to NASA turned up, and its still daytime there.
"I feel my work here is complete!"
Last edited by Used Ink; 2nd Feb 2003 at 18:59.
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I'm really amazed (and quite a bit saddened) that the majority of this thread seems to have been girly eye-scratching and absolutely unbelievably (under the circumstances) trivial arguments about whether shuttles "launch" or "take off".
Professional pilots or not, fellow posters please have a bit more respect for seven folk who didn't come home, after "puching the envelope" further than most of us could dream of doing in a million years.
Just think, even allowing for the odd Russian misinformation, I reckon (back of fag packet stuff - accurate gen ORAC or Jacko??) that in 40 years or whatever, the manned space programme worldwide has only cost a couple of dozen lives - and I'm sure all would think it worth it. Just think of the comparable AVIATION losses between say Kitty Hawk and 1943!
Every time there's a crash, there are pleas (particularly here on Mil), to not speculate, apportion blame but just pay respects and wait for the Inquiry. I think this goes in spades in this case.
So, purlease, reasoned comment, but nothing sensational or ad hominem.
And let's just remember the 7 astronauts, and their grieving families. RIP x 7.
Professional pilots or not, fellow posters please have a bit more respect for seven folk who didn't come home, after "puching the envelope" further than most of us could dream of doing in a million years.
Just think, even allowing for the odd Russian misinformation, I reckon (back of fag packet stuff - accurate gen ORAC or Jacko??) that in 40 years or whatever, the manned space programme worldwide has only cost a couple of dozen lives - and I'm sure all would think it worth it. Just think of the comparable AVIATION losses between say Kitty Hawk and 1943!
Every time there's a crash, there are pleas (particularly here on Mil), to not speculate, apportion blame but just pay respects and wait for the Inquiry. I think this goes in spades in this case.
So, purlease, reasoned comment, but nothing sensational or ad hominem.
And let's just remember the 7 astronauts, and their grieving families. RIP x 7.
Now ...now Plod.....Ink is not pedantic! You were half correct however.
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Frankly, I'm disappointed with you lot on the Mil forum. If you can't have a debate without scratching and spitting on this topic then you don't deserve the right to carry on.
I'm closing this thread and if you want to post your thoughts about the Columbia disaster then you can do so here on this thread in RP: Shuttle Columbia breaks up during re-enry
If you want to discuss the technical issues, and you'd better read what has been written already in the thread, and make informed speculation as opposed to 'I saw them do it in the movies so why not in real life' theories then feel free to take part in this thread, also in RP: STS-107, Chronicle Of A Disaster Foretold?
A warning though. The first one of you who I consider to be out of order, whether for being insulting or having an 'attitude' will be dealt with electronically!
Sorry if some of you don't deserve being labeled with the few who have an attitude/anonymity problem but there are enough threads on this this topic running and policing all of them is becoming difficult.
I'm closing this thread and if you want to post your thoughts about the Columbia disaster then you can do so here on this thread in RP: Shuttle Columbia breaks up during re-enry
If you want to discuss the technical issues, and you'd better read what has been written already in the thread, and make informed speculation as opposed to 'I saw them do it in the movies so why not in real life' theories then feel free to take part in this thread, also in RP: STS-107, Chronicle Of A Disaster Foretold?
A warning though. The first one of you who I consider to be out of order, whether for being insulting or having an 'attitude' will be dealt with electronically!
Sorry if some of you don't deserve being labeled with the few who have an attitude/anonymity problem but there are enough threads on this this topic running and policing all of them is becoming difficult.
