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I know of one RAAF and one RNZAF base that was told to do same in the early 80s. A Mirage pilot was seen leaving his jet after transitting Tasman sea wearing his pyjamas so that he could go directly to the bar from the flight line after said journey.
Come to think of it , the whole RAAF was put on such a silly rule on two occasions in the semi recent past.
Come to think of it , the whole RAAF was put on such a silly rule on two occasions in the semi recent past.
I am willing to bet that the original poster (the name is already forgotten) was leant on by an exec on a threat from further up the chain. Thats why the thread was deleted by the originator.
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I think it must be more sinister than that MrB........have you noticed nobody from bzn has put his "job on the line"
to keep this thread going
It seems Big Brother is alive and kicking and living in OMQ's in Oxon.................please please please don't send the J there
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
to keep this thread going It seems Big Brother is alive and kicking and living in OMQ's in Oxon.................please please please don't send the J there
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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Well folks, it looks like the Station Commander at Brize Norton has no gonads! Either that or his spying little toady (or Exec) has not informed him of this thread. For once, ABIW, I have to agree with you, it certainly would appear that the guys/gals at Brize have been told to shut up and not post on this topic, but because of what threat? I urge the original poster to send me a private message or e-mail me with your comments. I swear to you that it will go no further than my eyes! I just need to know, its like an itch you can,t reach!!
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In reply to Training Risky's question.
No they don't have to drive to work in blues. The rule is, if you are coming to work to fly or sim, you can wear the glorious growbag. For all other occasions you have to wear the Blunty Impersonation Kit.
The reason for the the rule is obvious and logical. It is designed for harry staish to look good in the eyes of his superiors, thereby getting him promoted early.
All at Brize support his brave stand against the perenial slipping of standards by aircrew wearing hideous growbags all the time. It is hoped his stand is recoqnised early for its inspirational nature.
That way he will get promoted, be posted and they can get someone in who is interested in the job not the trivia!!!!!
No they don't have to drive to work in blues. The rule is, if you are coming to work to fly or sim, you can wear the glorious growbag. For all other occasions you have to wear the Blunty Impersonation Kit.
The reason for the the rule is obvious and logical. It is designed for harry staish to look good in the eyes of his superiors, thereby getting him promoted early.
All at Brize support his brave stand against the perenial slipping of standards by aircrew wearing hideous growbags all the time. It is hoped his stand is recoqnised early for its inspirational nature.
That way he will get promoted, be posted and they can get someone in who is interested in the job not the trivia!!!!!
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If whoever deleted the original thread, or rather whoever it was who dictated that it should be deleted, had let it run its course, the banter would have ground to a halt and the disgust at the Staish's new policy would have become little more than crewroom whinges. After all how many jibes can the blunties make about aircrew being too fat to fit into their blues or too tight to buy new kit and conversely how many jibes can aircrew make about blunties being jealous, bitter and twisted? And how many times can we all say that this was a misguided if not idiotic policy decision. However, in deleting the original thread this subject and the conspiracy theories surrounding it will (I hope) run and run.
Maybe 'the powers that be' might see that they are not all powerful and that their realm of authority does not stretch as far as they like to think.
Maybe 'the powers that be' might see that they are not all powerful and that their realm of authority does not stretch as far as they like to think.
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Does the same rule apply to the Rocks, TCW and PTS guys when they are not doing their own brand of rufty-tufty?
PS. It wasn't that long ago that most of you guys flew in blue anyway; has there also been a change on this front?
PS. It wasn't that long ago that most of you guys flew in blue anyway; has there also been a change on this front?
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Do you think they could get away with it at Lyneham, or a FJ base? Why cant we just have one rule for everyone and be done with it.
Is there anyone out there who thinks this is a good thing, or would prefer to fly in Blues?
Is there anyone out there who thinks this is a good thing, or would prefer to fly in Blues?
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I've been very sad and looked all through the recent SROs for BZN and cannot find any reference to this at all. If anybody can shed any light on the published SRO Ser No it would help. Or could it be that it was word of mouth at morning prayers so that if it proved to be a really contentious issue then those responsible could deny any knowledge................
It's a conspiracy
Edited for sp. must work harder at school
It's a conspiracy
Edited for sp. must work harder at school
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BC1 - you are right in one sense; the SWO does deal with uniform matters in that he enforces the policy and advises execs.
However, if the CO decides on a policy like the one at BZN, the SWO would not get involved to any great extent, except in enforcement. He would have swingeing powers to start the disciplinary chain for infringements by non-commissioned aircrew, but could only report officers to their own OCs.
However, if the CO decides on a policy like the one at BZN, the SWO would not get involved to any great extent, except in enforcement. He would have swingeing powers to start the disciplinary chain for infringements by non-commissioned aircrew, but could only report officers to their own OCs.
Nothing seems to change at Brize! In the early seventies, our ambitious navigator boss decreed that officers on his squadron should wear the newly reintroduced forage caps. Those of us who already owned one binned it for the duration of his reign. When the RAF Club got into financial trouble he told his men to join. Those who were aleady members resigned. He made Air Rank, just. There's leadership for you.
I can't believe this thread has resurfaced. However, I will reiterate my comments from the previous thread.... Has anyone actually had the b**ls to question this in person, or are you all hiding in the relative anonymity of pprune? As you are all presumably serving in HM Forces then I'm afraid you are supposed to do what you are told, even IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. You can of course question any such order, but unless it is illegal you have as much chance of countering this as Harold Shipman has of being the next President of the GMC. So stop moaning, get on with it and stop this thread, we are all very bored with your pathetic whimperings.
Mike Jenvey it has clicked you know.
This thread was dull, is dull and will remain dull. Even if the wearing of blues won't raise moral for the aircrew, I bet the rest of the station are having a great laugh at just how pathetic their aircrew officers and SNCOs can be, I'm pretty sure their moral is very high! So to follow your logic, if the rule is rescinded then moral will be restored? Better issue every member of the HM Forces with a flying suit, then we will accept whatever is thrown at us with good grace and a beaming smile, Hoorah, I'll sign up for another 16 years!
This thread was dull, is dull and will remain dull. Even if the wearing of blues won't raise moral for the aircrew, I bet the rest of the station are having a great laugh at just how pathetic their aircrew officers and SNCOs can be, I'm pretty sure their moral is very high! So to follow your logic, if the rule is rescinded then moral will be restored? Better issue every member of the HM Forces with a flying suit, then we will accept whatever is thrown at us with good grace and a beaming smile, Hoorah, I'll sign up for another 16 years!
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Matt Skrossa........I know not and I care not whether you are serving or not or are a wannabe, whatever. The thread has since gone long past the point of the wearing of blues. Cant you read between the lines?????? It would appear that there is some form of conspiracy happening here on the part of the "Top Neddies" at Brize Norton. Noone can find the RSO's, the topic being suddenly deleted by the originator and you talking absolute drivel! It all adds up.
Now be a good boy and go and stack your blankets or whatever mundane task you have set yourself for today and leave us mature adults to get on with discussing this very intriguing subject.
Oh, and P.S. I am not serving and I did invite the Station Commander to comment but he chose not to.
P.P.S. It wasnt the fact that the aircrew had to wear Blues that upset me, it was the effect that it would have on moral of aircrew and groundcrew in this very busy time.
Now be a good boy and go and stack your blankets or whatever mundane task you have set yourself for today and leave us mature adults to get on with discussing this very intriguing subject.
Oh, and P.S. I am not serving and I did invite the Station Commander to comment but he chose not to.
P.P.S. It wasnt the fact that the aircrew had to wear Blues that upset me, it was the effect that it would have on moral of aircrew and groundcrew in this very busy time.
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Its a Morale Thing
My Mum used to tell me that if you looked after the pennies the pounds would take care of them selves, and to a great extent she was right. Now a similar thing could be said of morale, keep the troops happy with the little things and they will forgive, and work around, the big problems. We have all worked with the biggies for many years; kit that needs replacing, unreliable kit, kit that is years behind schedule, more time away with faster turn over times, the list goes on. But, we have continued to do our best and carry on regardless because for the most part we are happy, and we are happy if we can keep in touch with home, can have a beer or two, have got a comfortable place to sleep, can banter our mates in other Sqns and branches and LITTLE things like that. No one expects miricles and most understand the big problems.
So this is why the blues thing at Brize appears to be so unpopular. It is another one of those LITTLE things that has been changed, a backward step, and for no apparent reason, that just annoys people. Now I am not at Brize so I don't know if there has been any reasons givern for the change. At my base all aircrew wear flying suits most days. Everyone knows which Sqn an individual is on and all are V proud to wear the badges. We are slowly loosing our ability to be proud of our Sqns and our branches as the wearing of Sqn coulors is banned and we are loosing our identity. We should be proud of, and encourage Sqn, wing, branch connections, not become a bland service with no distinctions at all. Our uniform is already so bland, the AA and the RAC do much better. We could learn a great deal from the US Forces when it comes to celebrating branches, Sqns etc.
Aircrew should be proud to be aircrew and not have to hide it. The same can be said of the Regement, Engineers, Suppliers ATC, everyone. We need to concentrate on the LITTLE cheap things that create positive attitude and increase morale and that help make up for the big expensive things that take years to change or improve. There should be far more for senior officers to worry about than the wearing of flying suits or Sqn bow ties with No5s. As long as everyone wears smart, clean uniform and they do their job thats all that should matter.
Be proud of your branch (be it air our ground), be proud of your Sqn and be proud of the RAF. We need to get the spirit back in this vocation.
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So this is why the blues thing at Brize appears to be so unpopular. It is another one of those LITTLE things that has been changed, a backward step, and for no apparent reason, that just annoys people. Now I am not at Brize so I don't know if there has been any reasons givern for the change. At my base all aircrew wear flying suits most days. Everyone knows which Sqn an individual is on and all are V proud to wear the badges. We are slowly loosing our ability to be proud of our Sqns and our branches as the wearing of Sqn coulors is banned and we are loosing our identity. We should be proud of, and encourage Sqn, wing, branch connections, not become a bland service with no distinctions at all. Our uniform is already so bland, the AA and the RAC do much better. We could learn a great deal from the US Forces when it comes to celebrating branches, Sqns etc.
Aircrew should be proud to be aircrew and not have to hide it. The same can be said of the Regement, Engineers, Suppliers ATC, everyone. We need to concentrate on the LITTLE cheap things that create positive attitude and increase morale and that help make up for the big expensive things that take years to change or improve. There should be far more for senior officers to worry about than the wearing of flying suits or Sqn bow ties with No5s. As long as everyone wears smart, clean uniform and they do their job thats all that should matter.
Be proud of your branch (be it air our ground), be proud of your Sqn and be proud of the RAF. We need to get the spirit back in this vocation.
NFF
Still can't spell even after a first time pass at ISS