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If I had to go low level, I'd choose a....
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If I had to go low level, I'd choose a....
Continuing a long running debate, which do you consider to be the finer interdiction aircraft?
Personally, I'm not an F-15E fan - I imagine that the huge wing and low wing loading (optimised for air-to-air fighting, remember) causes the crew to have their eyeballs shaken from their sockets, right?
Personally, I'm not an F-15E fan - I imagine that the huge wing and low wing loading (optimised for air-to-air fighting, remember) causes the crew to have their eyeballs shaken from their sockets, right?
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a car, definitely a car for low level. Probably a range rover if there are hills around. Show me an aircraft that can get that low (excluding the famous pic of the gnat at Kemble)
1. Gnat with unlimited fuel.
2. Buccaneer with modern navaids.
But really, TSR2 with 38 years of further development. What a tragedy that it was murdered by Mountbottom and the Labour government of the day...
Not today's 'New Labour' of course, in case anyone thinks that these comments might amount to sedition
2. Buccaneer with modern navaids.
But really, TSR2 with 38 years of further development. What a tragedy that it was murdered by Mountbottom and the Labour government of the day...
Not today's 'New Labour' of course, in case anyone thinks that these comments might amount to sedition
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How about a B-1? It would have to be flown by Brits as the Yanks use too much O2 at the low level the operate at.
If they get bounced by a fighter, they light the reheats and run for an hour, then see if he's still there! Once had one ask if he could stay and do some "low level" after the exercise part of the sortie and he would meet us again on the next wave!
If they get bounced by a fighter, they light the reheats and run for an hour, then see if he's still there! Once had one ask if he could stay and do some "low level" after the exercise part of the sortie and he would meet us again on the next wave!
Aircraft NOT to do low level
I saw a table showing the number of 0.5G bumps encountered by various aircraft at low level the Mirage III was the worst with something like 50 0.5g vertical accceleration events a minute.
Not something to fly low in but probably OK if you want to REALLY shake that Martini.
Not something to fly low in but probably OK if you want to REALLY shake that Martini.
Actually, having had second thoughts, I think that I'd prefer an Aston Martin DB7 V12 Coupe! British Racing Green with either cream or pale green leather seats - I'm not fussy really.....
Happy New Year to all - probably my last one in HMFC though.
Happy New Year to all - probably my last one in HMFC though.
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The Mighty Vulcan. Queen of the skies and unbeatable at low level in the hands of the right crew. Used to regularly beat the pants off the Yanks at LL bombing. Bomb in a bucket a regular feature of this tremendously stable bombing platform - and all that without any of your modern fancy kit, such as fited to the H GR7...(which is dead in the water if ther computer goes 'phut'!)
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I've always wondered; why wasn't the F-14 ever developed further as a mud thumper? Big swingy wings, it can go low and slow as well as high and fast.
New engines, avionics, maybe some canards and vectoring....if the Eagle can be continuously reinvented, why not the Tomcat?
Just curious.
New engines, avionics, maybe some canards and vectoring....if the Eagle can be continuously reinvented, why not the Tomcat?
Just curious.
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BluntM8,
15E might have a big wing but thats because you can attach 81,000lbs of weight to them including as many rockets as bombs take them 800 miles and then pull 9g. (Not really a low wing loader in the true sense of the word)
The ride is fine even in the hills on windy days. LANTIRN does a perfectly good job in the hills at night, only snag is that with FLIR you can see the rocks coming; ignorance used to be bliss.
More importantly if you then want to pull out of low-level; you can climb into the 30s using 58,000lbs of thrust and then have the best toys in the business to play with.
Ergonomics, avionics, airframe and system wise the F-15E will lead the field until someone actually makes a 4th generation fighter work (When is EF FOC now 201?).
To become an F-15E fan, all you have to do is fly it and operate it. I shudder to think what an RAF squadron could do with the jet if they were to get their hands on it.
If you want ultimate comfort I'd recommend Seat 1J on the 777.
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15E might have a big wing but thats because you can attach 81,000lbs of weight to them including as many rockets as bombs take them 800 miles and then pull 9g. (Not really a low wing loader in the true sense of the word)
The ride is fine even in the hills on windy days. LANTIRN does a perfectly good job in the hills at night, only snag is that with FLIR you can see the rocks coming; ignorance used to be bliss.
More importantly if you then want to pull out of low-level; you can climb into the 30s using 58,000lbs of thrust and then have the best toys in the business to play with.
Ergonomics, avionics, airframe and system wise the F-15E will lead the field until someone actually makes a 4th generation fighter work (When is EF FOC now 201?).
To become an F-15E fan, all you have to do is fly it and operate it. I shudder to think what an RAF squadron could do with the jet if they were to get their hands on it.
If you want ultimate comfort I'd recommend Seat 1J on the 777.
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How about a pair of well broken in Brasher GTX Hillmasters, from the Brasher Boot Company, armed with a hip flask of Lagavullin.
Or, if working, a pair of Belville TLS with full goretex sock, armed with an AR15 and optical sight, with a goretex ghillie suit.
Or, if working, a pair of Belville TLS with full goretex sock, armed with an AR15 and optical sight, with a goretex ghillie suit.
Memo to STANDTO: Delete all except the hip flask of Lagavullin 
To be consumed once one has arrived courtesy of the DB7 V12!
Happy New Year!!
To be consumed once one has arrived courtesy of the DB7 V12!
Happy New Year!!
F15E..
Read the other day in a magazine though, that nearly all the crew who fly in it are sick on most sorties at LL. Can any Eagle drivers verify this?
Can't be as bad as 150ft through Nellis Ranges in a pressurised ally tube with small round windows to look through..Feeling very ill from the delights of Vegas the night before?
The old Typhoon of WW2 days gets my vote. What a beast she was! Ask the gerrie panser crews!!
Read the other day in a magazine though, that nearly all the crew who fly in it are sick on most sorties at LL. Can any Eagle drivers verify this?
Can't be as bad as 150ft through Nellis Ranges in a pressurised ally tube with small round windows to look through..Feeling very ill from the delights of Vegas the night before?
The old Typhoon of WW2 days gets my vote. What a beast she was! Ask the gerrie panser crews!!