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Tornado GR4
20
23.26%
F-15E
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37.21%
Something else...
34
39.53%
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If I had to go low level, I'd choose a....
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It all depends on how low you want to go. If its below tree top height then it has to be the Westland Scout AH1. If between tree top height and 250' AGL then it has to be the Westland Scout AH1. If you want air to ground capability, yep, you've guessed it, the Westland Scout AH1 with SS11 missiles and forward mounted GPMGs. Anything above 250' AGL cannot be classed as low level.
LJR........are you kidding.......10,000Ft!!!!!!!!!
LJR........are you kidding.......10,000Ft!!!!!!!!!
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Harvard (T6G) one of North American with Pratt and Whitney R-1430-AN-1 nine cylinder radial engine driving and Hamilton two blade constant speed propellor which was
1. Flown through the Pub tent (tent fell down spilling boss`s drink) during a low level "hello" earning the driver a "Vulture". ie cold tea f11k all biscuits with the boss
2. Bounced off the sea on a aspirant contsructors course due to a large swell! Formation leader given hell! Propellor bent, oil cooler gone, leading edge not so good, water like substance tasting of salt still dripping from wing after landing. Lifeguard witness`s who phoned before a/c landed believed to have been partaking of mind altering substances.
3. Bounced off dam by student pilot near end of course whilst formating on friend to impress young ladies, prop bent. Ego`s bent when taken out in helo and shown wires flown under and unseen.
Aeromachi 326 Impala
Bounced off ground a few miles yes miles short of the runway 08 at Port Elizabeth during night appraoach.
Puma SA 330
Bounced off Sea during no light approach to ship at night, brown underpants all round.
Flown through tree during night appch in unfriendly area leading to extended uncomfortable stay without cold beer.
Various types flown through all sorts of wires leading to cold teaetc but the best!
Take one Mirage photo recce type at 50 feet balls to the wall pull up to 1000 feet roll inverted pull hard roll level take photo`s of runway roll inverted pull hard and roll out level again at 50 feet.
Our Jettie goes out to practise while rolling the ext fuel tank comes adrift-uncontrollalable flight followed by miraculous pull out through live monster power lines. Aircraft flies away with bits of power lines and just about every panel welded shut and lands.
Best low level macine is the ALO 3: slow a/c, powerfull engine, fully articulated rotorhead all mean a comfortable ride while everyone else is being bounced.
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1. Flown through the Pub tent (tent fell down spilling boss`s drink) during a low level "hello" earning the driver a "Vulture". ie cold tea f11k all biscuits with the boss
2. Bounced off the sea on a aspirant contsructors course due to a large swell! Formation leader given hell! Propellor bent, oil cooler gone, leading edge not so good, water like substance tasting of salt still dripping from wing after landing. Lifeguard witness`s who phoned before a/c landed believed to have been partaking of mind altering substances.
3. Bounced off dam by student pilot near end of course whilst formating on friend to impress young ladies, prop bent. Ego`s bent when taken out in helo and shown wires flown under and unseen.
Aeromachi 326 Impala
Bounced off ground a few miles yes miles short of the runway 08 at Port Elizabeth during night appraoach.
Puma SA 330
Bounced off Sea during no light approach to ship at night, brown underpants all round.
Flown through tree during night appch in unfriendly area leading to extended uncomfortable stay without cold beer.
Various types flown through all sorts of wires leading to cold teaetc but the best!
Take one Mirage photo recce type at 50 feet balls to the wall pull up to 1000 feet roll inverted pull hard roll level take photo`s of runway roll inverted pull hard and roll out level again at 50 feet.
Our Jettie goes out to practise while rolling the ext fuel tank comes adrift-uncontrollalable flight followed by miraculous pull out through live monster power lines. Aircraft flies away with bits of power lines and just about every panel welded shut and lands.
Best low level macine is the ALO 3: slow a/c, powerfull engine, fully articulated rotorhead all mean a comfortable ride while everyone else is being bounced.
CONFUSED BUT DETERMINED
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Bluewolf,
The F-14 has been doing very little else operationaly except dropping bombs for about the last 8 years or so. It's wired for most of the modern toys like LANTIRN, LGB's, JDAM and is particularly useful as an AFAC. It also doesn't need to visit the tanker every 5mins like the girlie Hornet does. It's dropped bombs in BH, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq but it's days are now numbered due to the FA-18F.
However, the F-15E is still FAR and away the most capable all round piece of hardware in the skies. Unparralleled BVR air-air capability, excellent WVR (unparralleled once it gets HMS and AIM-9X), JTIDS, a superb sensor fit, and clearance for almost any air-ground weapon.
Regrettably, I suspect that it will still be embarrasing the Typhoon in another 10 years.
Regards and Happy New Year to all,
M2
The F-14 has been doing very little else operationaly except dropping bombs for about the last 8 years or so. It's wired for most of the modern toys like LANTIRN, LGB's, JDAM and is particularly useful as an AFAC. It also doesn't need to visit the tanker every 5mins like the girlie Hornet does. It's dropped bombs in BH, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq but it's days are now numbered due to the FA-18F.
However, the F-15E is still FAR and away the most capable all round piece of hardware in the skies. Unparralleled BVR air-air capability, excellent WVR (unparralleled once it gets HMS and AIM-9X), JTIDS, a superb sensor fit, and clearance for almost any air-ground weapon.
Regrettably, I suspect that it will still be embarrasing the Typhoon in another 10 years.
Regards and Happy New Year to all,
M2
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Grimweasel,
Total tosh I am pleased to say. In my 3 years, I only made 2 studes sick (which is understandable if you've seen me fly) and Jeremy Clarkson had a barfex too The studes were wedges with less than 300 hours total flying on their first air-to-air missions.
One of my buddies was a barfer and gave up the 15E to go to the B2 but he used to barf in the 111 too. In generally, you get such a good view out of the Eagle it is easier to hang onto your lunch than on a lot of other types.
The reason most WSOs chuck is because they are heads in working the systems whilst the jet is maneuvring under g. Nothing per se to do with the ride at low-level. Same goes for any other high performance 2 seat jet. As you know, from your peeks through the port holes, its much easier to keep the lunch down when either you are flying or looking out the jet.
By the way, I didn't know Tin Triangle crews ever left the bar when they were in Vegas!! I thought all that Flag and Giant Voice flying was mythical just like the Loch Ness monster. All the people you talk to had heard stories but had never actually seen the real thing.....
Ghost
Total tosh I am pleased to say. In my 3 years, I only made 2 studes sick (which is understandable if you've seen me fly) and Jeremy Clarkson had a barfex too The studes were wedges with less than 300 hours total flying on their first air-to-air missions.
One of my buddies was a barfer and gave up the 15E to go to the B2 but he used to barf in the 111 too. In generally, you get such a good view out of the Eagle it is easier to hang onto your lunch than on a lot of other types.
The reason most WSOs chuck is because they are heads in working the systems whilst the jet is maneuvring under g. Nothing per se to do with the ride at low-level. Same goes for any other high performance 2 seat jet. As you know, from your peeks through the port holes, its much easier to keep the lunch down when either you are flying or looking out the jet.
By the way, I didn't know Tin Triangle crews ever left the bar when they were in Vegas!! I thought all that Flag and Giant Voice flying was mythical just like the Loch Ness monster. All the people you talk to had heard stories but had never actually seen the real thing.....
Ghost
Ghost,
Thanks for clearing that one up for me. I take it that you love your current frame. You guys must love the LL system over here. Bombing about thru Scotland in your jet! I'd love to go up in one. Why on earth was a back seat ride wasted on that Idiot Clarkson? Made good TV seeing him 'blow chunks' tho!
Re Vegas... well, sometimes we have to leave the bar, drat! All that skimming about waiting for you guys to come and have a pop at us, and usually being very surpsied at how hard it is to shoot down the 'Tin Triangle'!!
Big up the 48th!
The Weasel
Thanks for clearing that one up for me. I take it that you love your current frame. You guys must love the LL system over here. Bombing about thru Scotland in your jet! I'd love to go up in one. Why on earth was a back seat ride wasted on that Idiot Clarkson? Made good TV seeing him 'blow chunks' tho!
Re Vegas... well, sometimes we have to leave the bar, drat! All that skimming about waiting for you guys to come and have a pop at us, and usually being very surpsied at how hard it is to shoot down the 'Tin Triangle'!!
Big up the 48th!
The Weasel
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Santa's Sleigh would be good.
Firstly, its never been seen by RADAR or the mark 1 eyeball.
Secondly, My kids tell me it travels faster than you can see.....perfect after a nice respray into Army Green..
Firstly, its never been seen by RADAR or the mark 1 eyeball.
Secondly, My kids tell me it travels faster than you can see.....perfect after a nice respray into Army Green..
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Ok then, I obviously can't have santa's sleigh, but what about Thunderbird 2. NOW if thats too expensive I'll have puff the magic dragon!
let em rip guys...........now thats a hercules!
let em rip guys...........now thats a hercules!
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Low level buffoonery
For those addicted to the moving of mud, opinion would seem to be that the best thing for flying at low, low level was the Buccaneer (queue the song). Have heard of a good story about an F-3 over the desert and a stray Winnebago.................
I will stick with the real Queen of the Skies....CH-47.....only 150 kts wide open......but when the Gunner walks up to the office and dumps an arm load of rice straw in yer lap and suggests that "enuff is enuff, Skipper!" Seems it was building up on the cargo hook at mid-frame! We used to have to pull up slightly to get enough height to roll the ol' girl into the turns....wouldn't do to go weed whacking with something that expensive.
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Always thought it would have been great to get the chance of an A-6E Intruder trip! Low level at night with NO defensive weapons, what a challenge.
Having read the book on all US air losses in the Vietnam war, Intruder losses were quite low compared to other types!
Having read the book on all US air losses in the Vietnam war, Intruder losses were quite low compared to other types!
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To go to war at LL, I'd take my GR4, preferably at night on NVGs.
I've done the GR1 war at LL and survived and have a great respect for the aircraft.
I've sat in an F15E at Vegas and the view is awesome. With that computing power and that fit......
Ghostrider is right. Most RAF aircrew, given an aviator's choice would have traded the GR1 for F15Es anyday. We create havoc at Flag in GR1s, just think what we could do with F15Es!!
For familiarity a GR1/4
In my dreams, an F15E
I've done the GR1 war at LL and survived and have a great respect for the aircraft.
I've sat in an F15E at Vegas and the view is awesome. With that computing power and that fit......
Ghostrider is right. Most RAF aircrew, given an aviator's choice would have traded the GR1 for F15Es anyday. We create havoc at Flag in GR1s, just think what we could do with F15Es!!
For familiarity a GR1/4
In my dreams, an F15E