Fraudulent Wg Cdr. Possibly.
I'm sure I read parts of it when I was at Cranwell. QR's often felt like the bible to me. Lots of people quoted from it but very few had read it cover to cover. I count myself in that group.
I know the RAF wanted people to be 'Officer first' but I'll be honest and say I joined for the flying and I think most of the aircrew of my era would have been the same.
So anything I did read in QR's I quickly forgot about because I didn't feel it was relevant to my job. I left it to the blunties to remind everyone that they were entitled to ride a horse into work, etc.
in fact, in most of my experience the people that care about that stuff only have time to care about it because the were not actually involves in delivering air power. Maybe that is you, I don't know.
I know the RAF wanted people to be 'Officer first' but I'll be honest and say I joined for the flying and I think most of the aircrew of my era would have been the same.
So anything I did read in QR's I quickly forgot about because I didn't feel it was relevant to my job. I left it to the blunties to remind everyone that they were entitled to ride a horse into work, etc.
in fact, in most of my experience the people that care about that stuff only have time to care about it because the were not actually involves in delivering air power. Maybe that is you, I don't know.
Also the guy was a wing commander, surely the higher up you progress the higher standard one should be held to?
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Everyone in the RAF is involved in delivering air power. Most of the pilots I know are normal down to earth people, without a superiority complex, but it's elitist attitudes that are causing headlines now "I'm Red 6, the rules don't apply to me"
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I'm sure I read parts of it when I was at Cranwell. QR's often felt like the bible to me. Lots of people quoted from it but very few had read it cover to cover. I count myself in that group.
I know the RAF wanted people to be 'Officer first' but I'll be honest and say I joined for the flying and I think most of the aircrew of my era would have been the same.
So anything I did read in QR's I quickly forgot about because I didn't feel it was relevant to my job. I left it to the blunties to remind everyone that they were entitled to ride a horse into work, etc.
in fact, in most of my experience the people that care about that stuff only have time to care about it because the were not actually involves in delivering air power. Maybe that is you, I don't know.
I know the RAF wanted people to be 'Officer first' but I'll be honest and say I joined for the flying and I think most of the aircrew of my era would have been the same.
So anything I did read in QR's I quickly forgot about because I didn't feel it was relevant to my job. I left it to the blunties to remind everyone that they were entitled to ride a horse into work, etc.
in fact, in most of my experience the people that care about that stuff only have time to care about it because the were not actually involves in delivering air power. Maybe that is you, I don't know.
I'm sure I read parts of it when I was at Cranwell. QR's often felt like the bible to me. Lots of people quoted from it but very few had read it cover to cover. I count myself in that group.
I know the RAF wanted people to be 'Officer first' but I'll be honest and say I joined for the flying and I think most of the aircrew of my era would have been the same.
So anything I did read in QR's I quickly forgot about because I didn't feel it was relevant to my job. I left it to the blunties to remind everyone that they were entitled to ride a horse into work, etc.
in fact, in most of my experience the people that care about that stuff only have time to care about it because the were not actually involves in delivering air power. Maybe that is you, I don't know.
I know the RAF wanted people to be 'Officer first' but I'll be honest and say I joined for the flying and I think most of the aircrew of my era would have been the same.
So anything I did read in QR's I quickly forgot about because I didn't feel it was relevant to my job. I left it to the blunties to remind everyone that they were entitled to ride a horse into work, etc.
in fact, in most of my experience the people that care about that stuff only have time to care about it because the were not actually involves in delivering air power. Maybe that is you, I don't know.
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The daily mail comments want blood and are an interesting read ~ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ments-13142031
As they say, "the dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed" and I suspect the outcome will be once again making the news.
We all make mistakes, the majority of the time we get away with it, lessons are learned and I hope his transition to civilian life is smooth and painless.
As they say, "the dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed" and I suspect the outcome will be once again making the news.
We all make mistakes, the majority of the time we get away with it, lessons are learned and I hope his transition to civilian life is smooth and painless.
I honestly can't figure out if you're joking or not.
I'm sure I read parts of it when I was at Cranwell. QR's often felt like the bible to me. Lots of people quoted from it but very few had read it cover to cover. I count myself in that group.
I know the RAF wanted people to be 'Officer first' but I'll be honest and say I joined for the flying and I think most of the aircrew of my era would have been the same.
So anything I did read in QR's I quickly forgot about because I didn't feel it was relevant to my job. I left it to the blunties to remind everyone that they were entitled to ride a horse into work, etc.
in fact, in most of my experience the people that care about that stuff only have time to care about it because the were not actually involves in delivering air power. Maybe that is you, I don't know.
I know the RAF wanted people to be 'Officer first' but I'll be honest and say I joined for the flying and I think most of the aircrew of my era would have been the same.
So anything I did read in QR's I quickly forgot about because I didn't feel it was relevant to my job. I left it to the blunties to remind everyone that they were entitled to ride a horse into work, etc.
in fact, in most of my experience the people that care about that stuff only have time to care about it because the were not actually involves in delivering air power. Maybe that is you, I don't know.
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My regular Service spans from the 80s to the 20s and the attitude displayed by WhoNeedsANav is one that I remember all too clearly from the early days of my time. The attitude of hiding things under the carpet, breaking the rules and sorting things out ‘unofficially’ with a chat (or a percussive interview behind the hangar) was prevalent across the Service. Bullying, often disguised as banter, was rife and I could name several VSOs whose behaviour was little more than abuse (in at least one case, sexual).
The RAF today is a million light years from the RAF I joined and while I sometimes get nostalgic for long-closed bases or aircraft types, for Friday happy-hours, sports afternoons or flaming pianos, there is no doubt that the Service of today is a fairer, more open, tolerant and frankly, nicer place to live and work than it was 30+ years ago. And, without doubt, it is also populated with people who are every bit as dedicated, professional and brave as have ever worn our monarch’s uniform.
The RAF today is a million light years from the RAF I joined and while I sometimes get nostalgic for long-closed bases or aircraft types, for Friday happy-hours, sports afternoons or flaming pianos, there is no doubt that the Service of today is a fairer, more open, tolerant and frankly, nicer place to live and work than it was 30+ years ago. And, without doubt, it is also populated with people who are every bit as dedicated, professional and brave as have ever worn our monarch’s uniform.
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Our times overlapped a fair bit yr analysis of the "good old days " is spot on. What really does get to me is the lack of consistency in application of the rules -I have been out a while so cant comment with authority but recent events suggest to me that there is still work to be done.
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Our times overlapped a fair bit yr analysis of the "good old days " is spot on. What really does get to me is the lack of consistency in application of the rules -I have been out a while so cant comment with authority but recent events suggest to me that there is still work to be done.
Accounting/admin regs were sometimes difficult to understand and could lead to trouble/misunderstanding!
eg1 handing in my impress to accounts following a round the world trip tried to hand in a load of loose change in a variety of currencies ( quite a lot of money ) to be told by the clerk - we don’t take coins you keep it !
tempting but I just left it on the desk.
eg 2 playing w/e sport in London was told that because overnight accommodation allce was not allowed you could claim for mileage for 2 journeys - the second ( not actually made ) being ‘hypothetical’
never felt comfortable submitting these claims so checked and was told that it was ok.
Also being aircrew - claims were always submitted ‘in a rush ‘ so genuine mistakes could be made- tended to take ‘crew room /historical advice ‘ rather than studying the small print.
not the case in this instance but Just making a point!
PS rumour at the time was that the Navy always worked hard to make sure that you received all eligible allowances whereas the RAF bust a gut making sure that you didn’t!
eg1 handing in my impress to accounts following a round the world trip tried to hand in a load of loose change in a variety of currencies ( quite a lot of money ) to be told by the clerk - we don’t take coins you keep it !
tempting but I just left it on the desk.
eg 2 playing w/e sport in London was told that because overnight accommodation allce was not allowed you could claim for mileage for 2 journeys - the second ( not actually made ) being ‘hypothetical’
never felt comfortable submitting these claims so checked and was told that it was ok.
Also being aircrew - claims were always submitted ‘in a rush ‘ so genuine mistakes could be made- tended to take ‘crew room /historical advice ‘ rather than studying the small print.
not the case in this instance but Just making a point!
PS rumour at the time was that the Navy always worked hard to make sure that you received all eligible allowances whereas the RAF bust a gut making sure that you didn’t!
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Isn’t the point that he denied he’d bought the house, and his colleague remembered that he had.
That was probably the opportunity for the “quiet word”, the quiet word was rebuffed.
I know a bent copper who was kicked out of the Met for fraud. He also rebuffed the invitation for a quiet word with a denial, being a grade one asshat he went a little further with “I didn’t do it, and you can’t prove I did”.
This was about 15 years ago, if it had happened now, he’d he inside I’m pretty sure. He was just kicked out by a tribunal.
It appears the reason the other chap went “private detective” was because the accused rebuffed and denied instead of accepting a quiet word.
That was probably the opportunity for the “quiet word”, the quiet word was rebuffed.
I know a bent copper who was kicked out of the Met for fraud. He also rebuffed the invitation for a quiet word with a denial, being a grade one asshat he went a little further with “I didn’t do it, and you can’t prove I did”.
This was about 15 years ago, if it had happened now, he’d he inside I’m pretty sure. He was just kicked out by a tribunal.
It appears the reason the other chap went “private detective” was because the accused rebuffed and denied instead of accepting a quiet word.
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My regular Service spans from the 80s to the 20s and the attitude displayed by WhoNeedsANav is one that I remember all too clearly from the early days of my time. The attitude of hiding things under the carpet, breaking the rules and sorting things out ‘unofficially’ with a chat (or a percussive interview behind the hangar) was prevalent across the Service. Bullying, often disguised as banter, was rife and I could name several VSOs whose behaviour was little more than abuse (in at least one case, sexual).
The RAF today is a million light years from the RAF I joined and while I sometimes get nostalgic for long-closed bases or aircraft types, for Friday happy-hours, sports afternoons or flaming pianos, there is no doubt that the Service of today is a fairer, more open, tolerant and frankly, nicer place to live and work than it was 30+ years ago. And, without doubt, it is also populated with people who are every bit as dedicated, professional and brave as have ever worn our monarch’s uniform.
The RAF today is a million light years from the RAF I joined and while I sometimes get nostalgic for long-closed bases or aircraft types, for Friday happy-hours, sports afternoons or flaming pianos, there is no doubt that the Service of today is a fairer, more open, tolerant and frankly, nicer place to live and work than it was 30+ years ago. And, without doubt, it is also populated with people who are every bit as dedicated, professional and brave as have ever worn our monarch’s uniform.
These days it's seems recruitment and retention is a major cause for concern and I do wonder why.
People say what they think others want to hear, but they will do what is in their best interests. No doubt there are lots of people walking the corridors of the ever dwindling number of bases the RAF still have, repeating this dogma that the air force is a much better place but quietly plotting their exit strategy.
But then who can really blame them, certainly not me. I just don't believe you when you say the RAF is a better place. If it was then people wouldn't be leaving. And if it was more tolerant then they have a funny way of showing it by making it clear they don't want white male applicants. That's is open and blatant racism, so much so that even a VSO resigned over it, showing that there are still some people with integrity (but unfortunately in this case leaving).
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Of all the boring, 'adminy' lectures I had during recruitment training in '79, really only one thing sticks out...
"Steal public money- mind yer fingers!"
We were only enlisted sh1ts, but they guy doing the talking, didn't say it was 'only advice' for officers.
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"Steal public money- mind yer fingers!"
We were only enlisted sh1ts, but they guy doing the talking, didn't say it was 'only advice' for officers.
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It's only nonsense to those who see themselves as some sort of sky gods. Of course everyone is involved in delivering air power, if the jet isn't fuelled the bomb isn't delivered, if the pilot isn't fuelled the bomb isn't delivered etc etc. You just don't like people having a different view to yourself. I've be in the RAF 37 years this year, apart from a few TACOS that were quite good, the RAF is a much better place to work in and is just as professional as it ever was. I was a FAC/JTAC for quite a while, heavily involved in the bangy bit of air power delivery, before you accuse me of knowing nothing.
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It's only nonsense to those who see themselves as some sort of sky gods. Of course everyone is involved in delivering air power, if the jet isn't fuelled the bomb isn't delivered, if the pilot isn't fuelled the bomb isn't delivered etc etc. You just don't like people having a different view to yourself. I've be in the RAF 37 years this year, apart from a few TACOS that were quite good, the RAF is a much better place to work in and is just as professional as it ever was. I was a FAC/JTAC for quite a while, heavily involved in the bangy bit of air power delivery, before you accuse me of knowing nothing.
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'The role of the RAF is to fly aeroplanes. The role of those of us in the RAF who do not fly is to support those who do!'
50 years ago when I won my 'Wings', the RAF had some 78 squadrons operating some 35 different aircraft types. Even then the old timers bemoaned the cutbacks they'd seen in 1957....
There were 7 flying training stations including RAFC Cranwell and some 12 OCUs as well... Plus a considerable number of UAS, AEF, test and development units etc.
Sorry, but although today's aircraft are vastly more capable, I can't really accept that such a small RAF is in any way a 'better' place than it was 50 years ago.
There were 7 flying training stations including RAFC Cranwell and some 12 OCUs as well... Plus a considerable number of UAS, AEF, test and development units etc.
Sorry, but although today's aircraft are vastly more capable, I can't really accept that such a small RAF is in any way a 'better' place than it was 50 years ago.
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