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Bob Viking 27th Feb 2024 10:59

Fraudulent Wg Cdr.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...auded-MoD.html

Oh dear. He’s not going to get a lot of sympathy.

BV

4mastacker 27th Feb 2024 11:22

A 10-year posting to the US? Really? How does that come about? I bet those who have to move every couple of years are well-chuffed.

Bob Viking 27th Feb 2024 11:51

I would not say that’s the problem here. Good luck to anyone who can get themselves a good deal such as a ten year posting to the US.

The problem is, allegedly, flagrantly breaking the rules. And getting caught.

BV

Timelord 27th Feb 2024 11:55

Search and Rescue pilot filling a post at “The Home Of The Fighter Pilot”. Now THAT is flagrantly breaking the rules!

ShyTorque 27th Feb 2024 12:03


Search and Rescue pilot filling a post at “The Home Of The Fighter Pilot”. Now THAT is flagrantly breaking the rules!
I dunno. He is fighting for his career...

Lonewolf_50 27th Feb 2024 12:17

A guy I flew with back in the 80's got reassigned to San Diego in the 1990's.
He bought a house (price was high) and of course used his local DHA/housing allowance to defray some of that cost. (Not enough base housing in that area to cover even a tenth of the people assigned there).
He also had three junior officers move in to the empty rooms and each pay him rent.
Each of them applied for and got a full housing allowance (which was against the rules at the time) But they apparently used a street address one or two up or down the street for their claims .. under old salts advice.
It was the fourth JO, (filling in the last room) who seems to have spilled the beans.
Not sure how he did this, but in filling out his paperwork he didn't do as the others had done. This got a pay clerk looking into that street address. All of the street addresses.
NCIS (then NIS) got a phone call.
About Two years of all four of them claiming excess housing allowance came to light.
The ring leader (LCDR/OF-3), aka the guy I knew, took the hardest fall.

Futzing about with housing allowances: great way to out clever one's self.

chevvron 27th Feb 2024 12:19


Originally Posted by Bob Viking (Post 11604848)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13127825/amp/RAF-Wing-Commander-Based-Pentagon-Defrauded-MoD.html

Oh dear. He’s not going to get a lot of sympathy.

BV

Link doesn't seem to work with me.

ORAC 27th Feb 2024 12:24

Buying a house would seem to indicate he didn’t expect to move back to the UK any time soon - or at all.


Bob Viking 27th Feb 2024 12:47

Chevvron
 

Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11604903)
Link doesn't seem to work with me.

Copy and paste works fine. Not sure why it won’t form a link.

BV

Biggus 27th Feb 2024 13:04

The only set of people in this country who can get away with saying, "oh I'm sorry, I'll pay it back", with no subsequent sanction, when caught out in some sort of financial dodgy deal are POLITICIANS, of ANY party....

ShyTorque 27th Feb 2024 13:21


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11604909)
Buying a house would seem to indicate he didn’t expect to move back to the UK any time soon - or at all.

I'm sure his wife will be rather interested in his future plans, too.

albatross 27th Feb 2024 13:25

If he was transferred to Washington would he not then have been able to purchase the house in Lost Wages, stop collecting the housing allowance for that, and then legally claim a housing allowance for his rented apartment at his new post in Washington? This would have negated the need for his blundering subterfuge.
Just curious.
Is what he told his wife, while reprehensible, in reality, just between them and a moot point from a legal standpoint except, perhaps, as proof of intent to defraud provided hearsay is allowed. Can a spouse even testify against his/her partner in the UK?

Bob Viking 27th Feb 2024 13:25

Shytorque
 
Whilst remembering that nothing has yet been proven I had considered that possibility.

Since he has entered a not guilty plea it as plausible that he is falling on his sword and saving his wife the ignominy of being considered complicit. If he is found innocent, they can both be considered innocent. If he is found guilty it is only him that loses his job and reputation. There is every chance that both knew exactly what they were doing.

We’ll probably never know the full truth regardless of what the courts martial decide.

BV

ORAC 27th Feb 2024 14:59

Assum8ng it wasn’t his wife who found out about the secret account and reported it….

Gordon Brown 27th Feb 2024 15:19

If this is proven...

You've got to be some special sort of idiot to do that.

Makes a change from CEA fraud though, I suppose.

Davef68 27th Feb 2024 16:34


Originally Posted by albatross (Post 11604963)
Can a spouse even testify against his/her partner in the UK?

Yes, but they can't be compelled to. (except in certain offences relating to violence or sexual offences against a child, or violence against the spouse)

MPN11 27th Feb 2024 18:57


Originally Posted by Gordon Brown (Post 11605033)
If this is proven...
You've got to be some special sort of idiot to do that.
Makes a change from CEA fraud though, I suppose.

The OH was on the Allowances desk at Adastral. Life was an endless process of handling dodgy claims in EVERY area, including sadly being the ‘expert’ witness at the CM of a personal friend of us both. People will alway try their luck, and usually get caught.

ShyTorque 27th Feb 2024 21:28

I know a certain SO who was allegedly obtaining “indulgence travel” air tickets for non entitled children. It may have been an honest mistake but he was perhaps rather lucky to be advised that it might be best all round if he resigned. My understanding is that he took said advice and no further action was taken.

Radley 27th Feb 2024 21:35

He’s ex Nimrod

pr00ne 27th Feb 2024 22:07


Originally Posted by albatross (Post 11604963)
If he was transferred to Washington would he not then have been able to purchase the house in Lost Wages, stop collecting the housing allowance for that, and then legally claim a housing allowance for his rented apartment at his new post in Washington? This would have negated the need for his blundering subterfuge.
Just curious.
Is what he told his wife, while reprehensible, in reality, just between them and a moot point from a legal standpoint except, perhaps, as proof of intent to defraud provided hearsay is allowed. Can a spouse even testify against his/her partner in the UK?

Yes they can, and have many many times.


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