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Old 7th Feb 2024, 21:08
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there would be enough special cases to open a sub-Ministry of Defence for sifting claims into eternity.
I know I am repeating myself, but I strongly feel that the Armed forces have enough to worry about without having to find the money and the people to set this up.
Just so that those few of us who feel a need to be recognised have a bauble to wear on Remembrance Day.

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Old 8th Feb 2024, 01:29
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Many of my motorbike riding mates were Australia Defence Force (ADF) and wear a red and white medal ribbon on their jacket/vest. When I got round to asking what theatre they received the gong, it turns out that it is a four year Defence Medal; awarded for being enlisted for four years, issued to all ranks. There are other LSGC medals but that one gives a bit of tin for enlisting, I suppose.


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Old 8th Feb 2024, 02:30
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I served in the Cold War.
I did not get a medal for doing so.
I am fine with that.
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Old 8th Feb 2024, 13:19
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I remember the shock in about 1970 of seeing a Group Captain whose uniform had pilot's wings but no medal ribbons. Someone may remember him. Like many, he presumably served without qualifying for a GSM, and missed out on a Coronation Medal. After Korea, apart from Polar Medals that was about all there were.
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Old 8th Feb 2024, 14:12
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Almost like seeing a CAS with no wings and no campaign medals.

Pulls pin, releases the fly-off handle and rolls it into the room…

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Old 8th Feb 2024, 16:27
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Originally Posted by binbrook
I remember the shock in about 1970 of seeing a Group Captain whose uniform had pilot's wings but no medal ribbons. Someone may remember him. Like many, he presumably served without qualifying for a GSM, and missed out on a Coronation Medal. After Korea, apart from Polar Medals that was about all there were.
Surely somebody should have slipped him an OBE or such?
RHIP and all that!
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Old 8th Feb 2024, 16:35
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Civilian interloper here, so a personal opinion and happy to be flamed!

The cold war was a period of exceptional tension, and therefore strain and risk, on our defenders in the armed forces and, therefore, in my mind, worthy of recognition, Medals sound good - and the cost? Minimal in the greater scheme of things. IMO.

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Old 8th Feb 2024, 17:00
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Civilian interloper here, so a personal opinion but happy to be flamed!

The cold war was a period of exceptional tension, and therefore strain and risk, on our defenders in the armed forces and, therefore, in mind, worthy of recognition, Medals sound good - and the cost? Minimal in the greater scheme of things. IMO.
I have to say, my experience of the Cold War was work hard, play harder. The period between that and the years doing Expeditionary warfare never quite matched that experience. Medal for Cold War? If it ever came to fruition, at least I wouldn’t have to pay to get my medals remounted. (Apart from my miniatures).
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Old 8th Feb 2024, 23:22
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Originally Posted by John Eacott
Many of my motorbike riding mates were Australia Defence Force (ADF) and wear a red and white medal ribbon on their jacket/vest. When I got round to asking what theatre they received the gong, it turns out that it is a four year Defence Medal; awarded for being enlisted for four years, issued to all ranks. There are other LSGC medals but that one gives a bit of tin for enlisting, I suppose.
The NZ Defence Force introduced the Defence Service Medal in 2011:
The criterion for eligibility is three years service since 3 September 1945.
It has four clasps: Regular, Reserve, National Service and CMT (Compulsory Military Service): in theory a person could earn all four, but more than two is unusual

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ze..._Service_Medal
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Old 9th Feb 2024, 09:11
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Looking at what AUS and NZ have done to recognise military service, how about the LS &GC medal is awarded retrospectively to officers who retired before it was awarded to officers? Add clasps for Cold War and, say 15 years and 25 years service, and job is done: cheaply!
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Old 9th Feb 2024, 09:46
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Looking at what AUS and NZ have done to recognise military service, how about the LS &GC medal is awarded retrospectively to officers who retired before it was awarded to officers? Add clasps for Cold War and, say 15 years and 25 years service, and job is done: cheaply!
What about those who didn't do long enough to receive the LS&GC, but still fulfilled their contract? The Cpl storeman who did 12years, mainly at Bruggen and Gut, is he not worthy? Or the Private machine gunner from the Royal Anglians, who did 9 years? A new medal would be needed and millions would qualify. Even if I agreed with it, I most definitely don't, we've more important things to waste taxpayers money on like heating and hot water.
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Old 9th Feb 2024, 09:54
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Originally Posted by binbrook
I remember the shock in about 1970 of seeing a Group Captain whose uniform had pilot's wings but no medal ribbons. Someone may remember him. Like many, he presumably served without qualifying for a GSM, and missed out on a Coronation Medal. After Korea, apart from Polar Medals that was about all there were.

When I arrived at Bruggen I was one of the few on the Sqn to have a medal, the others tending to have the LSGC ones, Mine was a GSM, common as Muck at Odiham, but rare in the rest of the RAF.
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Old 9th Feb 2024, 10:59
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Originally Posted by 1.3VStall
Looking at what AUS and NZ have done to recognise military service, how about the LS &GC medal is awarded retrospectively to officers who retired before it was awarded to officers? Add clasps for Cold War and, say 15 years and 25 years service, and job is done: cheaply!
Not a good idea. If it is to be approved, it should be an unique medal for those who served a minimum qualifying period of uniformed service between 1947-1991.
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Old 9th Feb 2024, 11:17
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Even if I agreed with it, I most definitely don't, we've more important things to waste taxpayers money on like heating and hot water.
Not forgetting HS2, NHS computer systems that don’t work, etc etc.
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Old 9th Feb 2024, 13:20
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What a strange answer. I began by agreeing with you. You took it from there.
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Old 9th Feb 2024, 17:03
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Apology accepted. I suggest that you might delete the edited posts.
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Old 2nd Mar 2024, 12:40
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While it is of no help to Cold War veterans, presumably going forward the proposed Wider Service Medal will avoid this issue in the future?
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 10:25
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While it is of no help to Cold War veterans, presumably going forward the proposed Wider Service Medal will avoid this issue in the future?
The WSM seems to be gaining more traction. I’ll probably get that before the Coronation Medal at this rate.
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 10:42
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While it is of no help to Cold War veterans, presumably going forward the proposed Wider Service Medal will avoid this issue in the future?
An interesting leak via ARRSE that on 25 March, SofS will be announcing the Wider Service Medal. Long overdue and right to issue medallic recognition for those deployed for long periods abroad on ops that may not be kinetic, but still involve significant hard work.
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 10:53
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WSM

This is a good move in my book. Nothing I ever did would have qualified but I’m glad that some will receive it for their efforts.

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