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Entitlement to wear RAF 'wings'

Old 19th Nov 2023, 16:05
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A few years ago I had to research the wearing of Army/RN/RAF wings on other Services' uniforms for a real issue for regulars (no more details - it might imperil my incognito!) . The rule then - this was 20 years ago - was that RAF Wings could be worn on army uniforms and vice versa.(So Wills and Harry are both right!). The RN - unsurprisingly? - said RN Wings could only be worn on RN uniforms, and no other wings could be worn on them. Not sure where that puts RM?? Suppose the RN counts them as Navy......
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Old 19th Nov 2023, 18:09
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The transferring of service is an oddity that doesn't seem to rustle too many feathers. If you've passed the Army Pilot Course then why shouldn't you wear the Army wings regardless of the colour of hat you now wear.

The real noses are put of joint when RM transfer out of the Corps and have to wear RN or Army Commando flashes, insinuating they only did the 10 week crow to pro course rather than the full Lympstone experience
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Old 19th Nov 2023, 18:40
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Originally Posted by trim it out
The transferring of service is an oddity that doesn't seem to rustle too many feathers. If you've passed the Army Pilot Course then why shouldn't you wear the Army wings regardless of the colour of hat you now wear.

The real noses are put of joint when RM transfer out of the Corps and have to wear RN or Army Commando flashes, insinuating they only did the 10 week crow to pro course rather than the full Lympstone experience
That would definitely smart!
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Originally Posted by trim it out
The real noses are put of joint when RM transfer out of the Corps and have to wear RN or Army Commando flashes, insinuating they only did the 10 week crow to pro course rather than the full Lympstone experience
What are they NOT allowed to wear? Serious Q.

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Originally Posted by charliegolf
What are they NOT allowed to wear? Serious Q.

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They can no longer wear their Royal Marine Commando flashes, and instead wear Royal Navy or Army Commando flashes depending on their new service.
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Old 20th Nov 2023, 12:27
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They can no longer wear their Royal Marine Commando flashes, and instead wear Royal Navy or Army Commando flashes depending on their new service.
I understood they could still wear their "Dagger"
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Old 20th Nov 2023, 14:35
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But they've transferred out - why keep the old badges?
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lsh, I remember BH well, Sadly he struggled throughout his training, he was backflighted on AAITC at Finningly, held after ALM training at Brize before going Rotary, went through the OCU to end up on the Squadron. Failed to up grade to CR checked again by STANEVAL until finally moving on to ATC. I understand he carried on wearing his brevet although given a really hard time by his new peers.

The American forces take different view of flying badges as I personally know a Lt Col in the USAF who transferred from the Marine Corps. He proudly wears both sets of wings on his uniform, one above the other.
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Old 20th Nov 2023, 14:52
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Originally Posted by teeteringhead
A few years ago I had to research the wearing of Army/RN/RAF wings on other Services' uniforms for a real issue for regulars (no more details - it might imperil my incognito!) . The rule then - this was 20 years ago - was that RAF Wings could be worn on army uniforms and vice versa.(So Wills and Harry are both right!). The RN - unsurprisingly? - said RN Wings could only be worn on RN uniforms, and no other wings could be worn on them. Not sure where that puts RM?? Suppose the RN counts them as Navy......
You suppose correctly, Sir, since the Royal Marines are a vital part of the Naval Service.

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Originally Posted by The Oberon
I understood they could still wear their "Dagger"
Originally Posted by Asturias56
But they've transferred out - why keep the old badges?
The dagger is still worn on their 1s/2s/Mess rig etc. The difference is a Royal Marine does the "full" Commando course, everyone else does the "short" All Arms course, and if you're now in the Army/RAF/RN rather than the Corps, it will be assumed you did the All Arms course. Similar to the way the Parachute Regiment believe everyone who isn't Reg is a Hat because they did All Arms Pre Para rather than Depot (an easy nibble to get the ex reg lads who transferred to be aircrew).
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RM wear Army wings (but I’ve seen RM FJ wear Navy wings).

I know of zero ex-Bootnecks who’ve branch transferred to RN or Army who give a damn about some random on the internet judging them about “long” or “short” courses.
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Originally Posted by alfred_the_great
RM wear Army wings (but I’ve seen RM FJ wear Navy wings).

I know of zero ex-Bootnecks who’ve branch transferred to RN or Army who give a damn about some random on the internet judging them about “long” or “short” courses.
FJ lot wear Navy wings because there is no Army FJ course.

It's banter Alfred, the AAC is a mongrel organisation. 40%, if not more, of the aircrew are not True Blue and taking the wizz out of previous capbadges is par for the course.
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Originally Posted by trim it out
They can no longer wear their Royal Marine Commando flashes, and instead wear Royal Navy or Army Commando flashes depending on their new service.
TIO has it right because the flash actually says "Royal Marines Commando". (my emphasis added). That it read as the wearer - who is a commando - is a member of the Royal Marines. So when/if no longer a member that particular badge is no longer appropriate. The person remains one who has passed the commando course and so may continue to display that fact (ie adopt the Royal Navy/Army Commando badge or the dagger.

Batco (on behalf of Batco Jr - a Royal Marines Commando)

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Old 21st Nov 2023, 06:11
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Years ago, I went to an RAF wedding between a couple of air traffickers. One of the guests was wearing a nav badge. Upon enquiring, he’d trained as a Navy observer, got the badge, but hadn’t finished Lynx conversion before transferring to RN air traffic, subsequently transferring to RAF air traffic. He’d been entitled to the observer’s ’moth’ whilst in the Senior Service but far from met the RAF’s requirements for wearing the ‘N’.
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This is a brevet:


These are badges (always have been since 1912 when HM The King signed the first one off - been the same in KRs and QRs ever since):

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Old 22nd Nov 2023, 01:41
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When the RAN closed its fixed wing down some of the A-4 chaps went to the RAAF Mirages and a couple to the RN Harrier, anyone know what wings they wore?
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I transferred RAN to RAAF and wore the ‘crab’ wings. It was hard adapting to their Fred Scuttle salute though.
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LJ, the OP wrote:
please don't hijack the thread with discussions about wings/brevets/badges etc!
All posters to note please!!
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Originally Posted by BEagle
LJ, the OP wrote:


All posters to note please!!
battle is won anyway .
End of.
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I am impressed, 5 pages in and not a mention of the W word.

Doh....
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