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Old 9th Nov 2023, 13:03
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Thus I infer that about a dozen of our best of the best FJ pilots have no assigned role in TTW. Perhaps TTW also does not exist.

Or is war directed at these shores simply unplanned for or inconceivable? I hope "they" are right.
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Thus I infer that about a dozen of our best of the best FJ pilots have no assigned role in TTW. Perhaps TTW also does not exist.
You can infer nothing of the kind. Such information is not made public.
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Originally Posted by mahogany bob
war role

whilst standing next to a Gnat on static display at a big air show 2 keen cadets asked if had any weapons.
Answer yes - can’t you see the big spear (the pitot ) at the front - on a good day you could impale about 6 of the enemy in the ground attack role !
They believed every word!
Similar at an open day at Upavon we had to drag a Puma out and along the taxyway for a medivac, it was cancelled, so we dragged it back along the taxyway, then it was on again so we turned around and dragged it back up the taxyway and left it for the crew.. an RAF policemen enquired why were we dragging it back and forth along the taxyway and quick as a shot an answer was given, it was to wind up the spring, so they could start the engines.... off he went happy and thanking us all as he had his answer.


I seem to remember a Hawk I think doing some training against some American jets and winning ( Deci?)
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Ref pic in #134; `Red 1,rolling -in.tin hut,10 o`clock 2miles,`PI%% OFF BIGGLES on roof,guns live`...
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Shortly after resuming my UAS tour having been away for 7 months flying the VC10K in Gulf War 1, the phone rang in my office. It was some person-formerly-known-as-a-WRAF who said that she needed to confirm my war appointment details. Some mighty important duties ferrying people around in HM's Bulldogs, I gathered.

Suspecting a wind-up by a well-briefed female student, I told her to pull the other one! But she assured me that it was a genuine call. "Well, I suspect that I won't be doing anything of the sort as I'll be doing the same thing that I've just been doing!", I replied. "What was that?" came the response.... So I explained, but after the giggles, she politely pleaded with me to acknowledge her letter when it arrived. Of course I ageed, but you do have to wonder whether left hand and right hand actually know what the other one is doing....
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
You can infer nothing of the kind. Such information is not made public.
Thank you.
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Old 9th Nov 2023, 15:48
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Thus I infer that about a dozen of our best of the best FJ pilots have no assigned role in TTW. Perhaps TTW also does not exist.

Or is war directed at these shores simply unplanned for or inconceivable? I hope "they" are right.
Would need a conversion course and sim time. 4 minute warning? Do not do that either.
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Old 9th Nov 2023, 15:57
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At least we could eat Household Cavalry horses ....................
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Old 9th Nov 2023, 16:21
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Thus I infer that about a dozen of our best of the best FJ pilots have no assigned role in TTW. Perhaps TTW also does not exist.

Or is war directed at these shores simply unplanned for or inconceivable? I hope "they" are right.
I would imagine the scene would be like a WW2 scramble with all the aircrew rushing to the aircraft, not because they were all going into action, but because by then the RAF would not have enough aircraft to go around, so it would be first come, first served.
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Old 9th Nov 2023, 18:20
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Originally Posted by downsizer
Also we no longer have any of the weapons they were "capable" of using....KFF, 30mm Aden nor 'winders.
Devine wind special attack squadron? Complete with red arrow bandannas 😉
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Given the sentiments on this thread, a timely advert last night, one I've not seen before, promoting the Reds....out of interest, the merchandising must produce a nice little income stream.

Any ideas as to where the revenue ends up ?
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Unhappy Toxic at Wyton ??

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in the spirit of unfounded mudslinging at other units based on no evidence 😉, I’d like to offer that it was a result of the toxic culture at Wyton.
That’s quite a claim to put forward, young ThreeType ? . . and one that I don’t remember, personally, from my Wyton staff days on the EFTS Sqn ??
Each to their own of course . . but perhaps a little more meat on the bones of your suggestion / claim would perhaps help us all to see if there might be any inkling of a truth lurking somewhere within ?? As it was, 2008 - 2011 were Happy Days for me in the Wyton EFTS “Cold War Office” . . those who were there, of course, might well remember the aged, wise old heads living in the CWO but remembering a “toxic culture” ?? . . I’d be somewhat surprised
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I think the clue to my post was in the first sentence and the winky face…and it’s been a few years since I’ve been called young, thank you.
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Old 10th Nov 2023, 14:17
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Come and say hello to the Poseidon Force - guarantee you will be ‘young’! 😉
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Old 10th Nov 2023, 17:12
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
At least we could eat Household Cavalry horses ....................
Whilst being serenaded by massed military bands?
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Old 10th Nov 2023, 20:50
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
Given the sentiments on this thread, a timely advert last night, one I've not seen before, promoting the Reds....out of interest, the merchandising must produce a nice little income stream.

Any ideas as to where the revenue ends up ?
The sellers of the product?
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Old 10th Nov 2023, 21:15
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It (the royalties on intellectual property owned by the MoD) is used by MoD Media and Comms to fund projects not covered by core funding - so some of the nice to have stuff for promoting the RAF in the public eye.
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Just for the record (and I know it wasn't a serious poke), I did EFT at Wyton during the period in question, and no, there was no toxic culture - quite the opposite, it was a very pleasant place to learn to fly, and the residents of the 'Cold War Office' not only had a vast amount of flying and teaching experience between them, but also a steady supply of wit and good humour.

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Old 14th Nov 2023, 06:23
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Originally Posted by ThreeType
in the spirit of unfounded mudslinging at other units based on no evidence 😉, I’d like to offer that it was a result of the toxic culture at Wyton.
Well that seems entirely fair 😉
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The Red Arrows display team is in "special measures" after a report found predatory behaviour towards women was "widespread and normalised".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-67417428
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