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Rumor of USAFE former installations being reactivated

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Old 10th Oct 2023, 10:55
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Although I agree with dead_pan that it is probably just clickbait, I did a bit of thinking. Reopening bases to base flying units would seem to run counter to the whole ethos of ACE, so I assume any 'reactivation' would just be to ensure the airfield would be fit to deploy to -i.e. care and maintenance rather that forward deployed units.

"To generate combat power from a number of locations to create dilemmas for
an adversary...I just need a runway, a ramp, a weapons trailer, a fuel bladder,
and a pallet of [Meals, Ready-to-Eat]. That’s maybe a little bit bold, but the
point is, we’ve got to be light, lean and agile.”

-- General CQ Brown, Jr., Chief of Staff of the Air Force
A few idle thoughts about the more recently closed flying bases:

Bitburg - potentially but is 10nm from Spangdahlem really dispersing?
Hahn - commercial airport 1million + pax per annum
Rhein-Main - now Frankfurt Terminal 3
Sembach - no runway
Zweibrücken - now GA only + industrial/commercial development

Soesterburg - owned as a nature/archaeological reserve by Utrechts Landschap (a Dutch regional foundation focused on the conservation of natural and non-natural heritage in the Province of Utrecht)

Alconbury - runway partially dismantled
Bentwaters - potentially I suppose - HAS site still present I think
Upper Heyford - although runways still there as are HASs I think the housing and other civilian use makes it impossible.
Woodbridge - talk nicely to the pongos - HAS site still present I think
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AFAIK the German government has halted its post Cold War program to sell former military sites for other uses in order to keep some available for reactivation if needed a while ago.
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We have an abundance of barely in use or closed airfields (both civvy and military) in the UK waiting to be sold to be turned into housing or industrial estates. Theoretically, how much work would it take to get one ready for a deployment of bombers or fighters?

As a close ally to the US, could the government give one of these airfields currently costing millions of pounds a year to maintain/preserve a compulsory purchase order and be made ready?

More a question than anything as someone outside the military that doesn't know all the pitfalls.
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Scampton springs to mind!
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They could do a lot with Fairford.
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They could do a lot with Fairford.
Fair point, they’ve only recently finished building some hangars there

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Originally Posted by SLXOwft
Upper Heyford - although runways still there as are HASs I think the housing and other civilian use makes it impossible.
There's all sorts of civilian stuff going on at Upper Heyford, felt pretty busy when I was there last year. Would make a right mess of the local airspace too...
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Old 10th Oct 2023, 16:26
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Don't get too excited. There is a US election next year.
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Old 10th Oct 2023, 19:33
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Little chance of Wattisham I would have thought. Surely the main no no for UK MOD bases is that the Ynaks, for reasons best known to themselves, have a totally different electrical setup re wiggly amps and all that....
An old wives tale.
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Prestwick would make an excellent base.
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Why no mention of Duxford?

There is already an American Hangar there!
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 02:17
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Why not Waddo? Everything else is there.
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I’d say Linton on Ouse, but the illegal immigrants would complain about the noise.
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Leuchars is perfect. Seeing as the amount of time USAFE seemed to divert in on a Fridays back in the day. The Links trust even hire out clubs for those who dont have them ;-)
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Ursel, Zoersel, Zutendal and a couple of others whose names escape me?
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
I’d say Linton on Ouse, but the illegal immigrants would complain about the noise.
Delighted to say that the local opposition's well organised campaign bore fruit and - at least at this time of writing - this ill-conceived plan has (at least for now*) been shelved. Hat tip to Satco's Whipping Boy. Hoping LOO's success is translated down to Scampton.
*Not to underestimate the ignorance, duplicity and sheer arrogance of the Home Office staffers.
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 10:03
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Originally Posted by Top West 50
Ursel, Zoersel, Zutendal and a couple of others whose names escape me?
I presume you mean the Belgian Air Component reserve airbases that 'can be activated by NOTAM'?

So:
Jehonville aka Bertrix (EBBX) - gliding activity possible outside military operating hours
Saint-Hubert (EBBU)
Weelde (EBWE) - civil flying club has concession to use when inactive
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