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MiG-23 Crash - Michigan - 13 Aug 23

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Old 14th Aug 2023, 07:07
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Originally Posted by munnst
I was at a talk regarding ejection from the early Starfighter. Procedure for ejecting was to roll inverted as the seat came out downwards. To quote the pilot giving the talk
"If I had enough control to roll inverted I didn't need to eject".
??? Sort of why I was wondering whether there was a control problem, I guess. Because in all the time I spent spent flying ejection seat aircraft, we’d always want to get the wings level and ideally try to get an upwards vector prior to pulling the handle in a low-level ejection.

(I never flew the 104, but suspect there may have been other potential reasons to eject than a lack of roll control… )
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 08:11
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
I guess it’s natural to want to save yourself, but it’s a big call to abandon your jet in a residential area.
Not saying that's what happened but if, for example, that was a total loss of hydraulics there is not much else they could have done.

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Old 14th Aug 2023, 08:20
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A large crate of expensive drinks to whoever maintained the ejection seats, though.

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Old 14th Aug 2023, 08:28
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 08:32
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No need to speculate - both crew ejected so they’ll be able to tell us.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 09:41
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Originally Posted by pba_target
That video isn't from an F-18. It's a Hawk crew (two QFIs) who jumped out after the engine threw a compressor blade at medium level and they were outside of glide range to a runway.

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As described extensively in the comments section under the video, but hey, it's the internet and people just love to spout bollocks here!
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 10:39
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An East German saying: "If you want a MiG-23, buy a field near an aerodrome and then wait for one to fall in it".
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Dora-9
An East German saying: "If you want a MiG-23, buy a field near an aerodrome and then wait for one to fall in it".
Given the number and frequency of German Starfighter losses during it's service, that saying was in use on the other side of the wall as well. Trust me.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 12:13
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Originally Posted by Skeleton
Given the number and frequency of German Starfighter losses during it's service, that saying was in use on the other side of the wall as well. Trust me.
Wasn't the Starfighters nickname "The Lawn Dart" ?
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 12:52
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The air show narrator in fact referred earlier in the day to the F-104 as "Widowmaker".
I can't provide any eye-witness account of the MiG crash.... Thunder Over Michigan is presented twice on two consecutive days, and the morning and afternoon shows are mostly the same. I really enjoyed the morning show . . .
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 13:37
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Well very lucky outcome for all involved. I muss say as ejections wold go I'd rather not attempt it out of a 50y soviet jet...
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 13:53
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4:05 of video in post #4. Sorry guys for the digress but he says that the Tomcat had a yaw string? On a Mach 2 aircraft?


Update: Apparently true:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=f14+t...h=961&biw=1865

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Old 14th Aug 2023, 14:28
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Originally Posted by punkalouver
4:05 of video in post #4. Sorry guys for the digress but he says that the Tomcat had a yaw string? On a Mach 2 aircraft?
Yep.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 14:47
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Originally Posted by India Four Two
What surprises me is that there were two crew in an aircraft performing at an air display.
I believe the rule for essential crew only doesn't apply to American shows.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 15:03
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Two crew ended up landing in the lake, from what I've seen, which could have ended up badly for them as well.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 16:41
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Originally Posted by atakacs
Well very lucky outcome for all involved. I muss say as ejections wold go I'd rather not attempt it out of a 50y soviet jet...
On this occasion at least, seems to be a better option than remaining in the 50-year old soviet jet.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 18:20
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The European F104s had upward ejection seats by Martin Baker.
A guy I flew with ejected on short finals with an engine fire warning, the aircraft landed on its own and was stopped by the barrier. No damage, no fire.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 19:48
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
Two crew ended up landing in the lake, from what I've seen, which could have ended up badly for them as well.
Which lake? Clearly not the water in the foreground. Plus, reports are saying they landed on the ground.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 20:03
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I presume one of the three interlinked lakes south of the I-94 as the jet hit the ground around the apartment blocks between the water and the I-94, and crew banged out over the lake.....possibly Ford Lake, the western one of the three?
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 20:23
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Just seen this, which confirms crew landed in Belleville Lake and pilot sustained serious, but not life threatening injuries, back seater minor injuries. NTSB investigator already saying crash caused by engine problems (as mentioned in post above cited by witnesses) and crew had declared emergency before banging out.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...t-was-injured/

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