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Old 14th Jul 2023, 15:36
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Originally Posted by ETOPS
There’s a long straight section of the A74(M) south of jct 16 which has runway “written” all over it.

odd place to have a "secret" runway................
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Old 14th Jul 2023, 15:38
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The English don't like straight roads - look at any set of field boundaries, housing developments, city centres, country lanes, roads - they never caught the habit from the Romans
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Old 14th Jul 2023, 16:10
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Originally Posted by chevvron
The central crash barriers are removeable and the roadsigns have huge hinges to allow them to be folded flat.
Like the palm trees here?

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Old 14th Jul 2023, 16:36
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Originally Posted by Pezza26
Surely the issue isn't the cats eyes and street furniture but the potholes and FOD hazards that you find along most stretches of UK motorways?
Certainly some FOD along the sides of some motorways, but I have to say I cannot recall ever seeing a pothole in a motorway. It always amazes me how good the road surface is on motorways, and particularly the drainage - you very rarely find any patches of standing water, even in the heaviest rain conditions.
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The A361 around Frome has a built in ski jump -a dead straight section that goe
s down hill from the roundabouts at both ends perfect for f35s.

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but left with "removable" weeds in place.
My gardening experience tells me this is the most impractical of all the ones here ...
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
The English don't like straight roads

"The rolling English drunkard made the rolling English road." G K Chesterton I think.

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Old 14th Jul 2023, 22:57
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[Edited to add:]. Dr Google says Oz's longest stretch is 91 miles!!!

It is , and have driven it a few times, going to Western Australia and back. Pretty boring , with not much scenery, except dead kangaroos.
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Old 15th Jul 2023, 02:20
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From a time before aircraft flew:

The narrow ways of English folk
Are not for such as we;
They bear the long-accustomed yoke
Of staid conservancy:
But all our roads are new and strange,
And through our blood there runs
The vagabonding love of change
That drove us westward of the range
And westward of the suns.

A B Paterson 1901
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Old 15th Jul 2023, 02:30
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I think Dr Google is wrong. Bourke-Nyngan in NSW is 204 km, minus a little bit for a kink at each end. I'm told the road has deliberate changes of grade (+/- 1%) to assist with drainage, something that's only an occasional problem there.
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Old 15th Jul 2023, 09:04
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I think Dr Google is wrong.
Not for the first time Hydromet.

As Abraham Lincoln said: " Don't believe everything you read on the Internet"...

[Serious bit] Given the long straight roads in Oz, is there evidence of any/many drivers falling asleep? [I won't ask Google!]
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Old 15th Jul 2023, 09:55
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Sorry Hydromet but that road has curves in a few places like Coolabah ( to avoid the tree) and a kink at Mulga Creek. Whereas the Eyre highway east of Balladonia is 90 miles or 146.6k dead straight when I drove it a few months ago.
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Originally Posted by teeteringhead
[Edited to add:]. Dr Google says Oz's longest stretch is 91 miles!!!.
Was that for deployed Jags using the Earth curvature take off technique?
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Old 15th Jul 2023, 09:59
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Originally Posted by pulse1
Apparently the M55 has a long enough straight section to allow a Jaguar to take off and land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeBZ3xbgN_M

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Old 15th Jul 2023, 10:29
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Originally Posted by Hydromet
I think Dr Google is wrong. Bourke-Nyngan in NSW is 204 km, minus a little bit for a kink at each end. I'm told the road has deliberate changes of grade (+/- 1%) to assist with drainage, something that's only an occasional problem there.
It worked for me.



Meanwhile a normal operation for the Flying Doctor is to land on any number of areas on the Eyre Highway:




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Old 15th Jul 2023, 10:40
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Accidents caused by fatigue do occur but aren’t that common up our way.

Alcohol, stupidity and poor road surfaces are greater contributors.

When we transitioned from open speed limits to 130km/h, fatigue did become a much greater problem for me. The old system had you driving to the conditions, which meant paying attention. The newer arrangements saw you setting cruise control and fighting boredom (until you hit that section that should have been re-signed as 60 km/h. ). Darwin to Alice Springs also went from being a comfortable 12 hour day to 15 hours if lucky.

Thinking on it, perhaps the accident toll is kept down by the amount of time you have to spend stuck behind caravans doing 50 km/h under the speed limit.
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Old 15th Jul 2023, 11:01
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Teeteringhead

Accidents caused by fatigue do occur but aren’t that common up our way.

Alcohol, stupidity and poor road surfaces are greater contributors.

When we transitioned from open speed limits to 130km/h, fatigue did become a much greater problem for me. The old system had you driving to the conditions, which meant paying attention. The newer arrangements saw you setting cruise control and fighting boredom (until you hit that section that should have been re-signed as 60 km/h. ). Darwin to Alice Springs also went from being a comfortable 12 hour day to 15 hours if lucky.

Thinking on it, perhaps the accident toll is kept down by the amount of time you have to spend stuck behind caravans doing 50 km/h under the speed limit.
Chatting to the fire crews in the Alice, they confirmed that the accident rate decreased when the highway was de-restricted since a) vehicles weren't bunched up behind the slow movers and b) drivers were driving to the conditions and picking their comfortable speed.

Needless to say some mindless nongs got in at the next election and whacked back on the 130 limit; and the accident rate went back up

Getting back to the aviation content, I'm not sure the Stuart is wide enough nor the best for stiff wing operations but I stand to be corrected?



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Old 15th Jul 2023, 11:44
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Originally Posted by chevvron
I understand at least one stretch of the A1 just north of Woolfox Lodge (disused Bloodhound site) was evaluated but never implemented.
My understanding too. The dual carriageway splits there and the southbound side is pretty level and flat whilst the northbound side is anything but level. There are also 'conveniently located crossovers for traffic beyond each end of the runway/MOS. I am less convinced by the access arrangements for Woolfox Lodge and there is probably going to have to be some tree felling too.

Good job we retained the Jaguars!

Edited to add:

When Scampton is fully closed, the NE end of the runway will surely be chopped up and the A15 reinstated. This will be a nice straight bit that could be used as a MOS/Runway too!

Last edited by Friedlander; 15th Jul 2023 at 11:49. Reason: Brilliant Afterthought!
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Old 15th Jul 2023, 15:51
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Originally Posted by stilton
Do You know why i stopped you sir
The Jaguar pilot was hogging the fast lane?
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Old 15th Jul 2023, 16:48
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The main runway at Burtonwood is now part of the M62 I believe...
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