BA Managed Path back in play
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If anyone's actually desperate enough to consider applying to BA through the ex service military managed path, please note that according to their current adverts, there's very little on offer to a soon-to-be-ex service pilot bar the free uniform, unless there's a stealth deal going.
There's currently no recruitment direct onto longhaul for anyone. Long haul may become available after your initial five-year freeze but it requires vacancies and seniority bidding as well.
This is what's on offer as of 22 July - https://careers.ba.com/military-scheme
DEC at Gatwick. This is a shoo-in for all soon-to-be-ex service pilots who have 3500 hrs total and 1000 hrs PiC on the A320 etc. Number of UK service pilots likely to qualify for this - around zero.
Direct Entry F/O - A320 at LHR. - you need 500 hours or 100 sectors on the A320 or 1500 hours on an aircraft type that satisfies ZFTT and have flown this type in the last 12 months. If you can meet the 1500 hr ZFTT requirement, you will be competing blind for exactly the same job and seniority with candidates for BA's other scheme which is hiring kids who have a bare commercial and >£100k training debt.
And by the way - the recruitment process may take ages unless there's a secret accelerator for service pilots that avoids any lengthy holdover pool while BA micro-tinkers with the hiring budget and their inadequate training capacity. Just what you need when you're about to become unwaged.
You wonder why BA bother with schemes like this. Is it to make them feel or look good about looking after our veterans, or are they hoping to acquire a bit of experience on the cheap ?
A service pilot would probably be better off anywhere else - except be careful of having to pay for your type-rating and be wary of any longhaul cruise pilot offers.
Good luck - LFH
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If anyone's actually desperate enough to consider applying to BA through the ex service military managed path, please note that according to their current adverts, there's very little on offer to a soon-to-be-ex service pilot bar the free uniform, unless there's a stealth deal going.
There's currently no recruitment direct onto longhaul for anyone. Long haul may become available after your initial five-year freeze but it requires vacancies and seniority bidding as well.
This is what's on offer as of 22 July - https://careers.ba.com/military-scheme
DEC at Gatwick. This is a shoo-in for all soon-to-be-ex service pilots who have 3500 hrs total and 1000 hrs PiC on the A320 etc. Number of UK service pilots likely to qualify for this - around zero.
Direct Entry F/O - A320 at LHR. - you need 500 hours or 100 sectors on the A320 or 1500 hours on an aircraft type that satisfies ZFTT and have flown this type in the last 12 months. If you can meet the 1500 hr ZFTT requirement, you will be competing blind for exactly the same job and seniority with candidates for BA's other scheme which is hiring kids who have a bare commercial and >£100k training debt.
And by the way - the recruitment process may take ages unless there's a secret accelerator for service pilots that avoids any lengthy holdover pool while BA micro-tinkers with the hiring budget and their inadequate training capacity. Just what you need when you're about to become unwaged.
You wonder why BA bother with schemes like this. Is it to make them feel or look good about looking after our veterans, or are they hoping to acquire a bit of experience on the cheap ?
A service pilot would probably be better off anywhere else - except be careful of having to pay for your type-rating and be wary of any longhaul cruise pilot offers.
Good luck - LFH
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LFH,
Just curious that according to the link you pasted, the requirements for the managed path scheme is;
Which is a little different to what you mentioned in your post.
I see that BA are recruiting cadets at a far lower experience level mentioned in the managed path scheme.
Personally I have no involvement in the scheme and I’m not in a position to apply anyway. Are you saying that military Pilots have to meet the criteria for the direct entry FO and Captain jobs too?
Just curious that according to the link you pasted, the requirements for the managed path scheme is;
Criteria
The eligibility criteria for the British Airways Managed Path is contained in Tri-Service 2014 DIN 01-180. Please read this Instruction carefully.- A minimum of 1500 hours flying experience on any service aircraft.
Which is a little different to what you mentioned in your post.
I see that BA are recruiting cadets at a far lower experience level mentioned in the managed path scheme.
Personally I have no involvement in the scheme and I’m not in a position to apply anyway. Are you saying that military Pilots have to meet the criteria for the direct entry FO and Captain jobs too?
No. If you want to apply to the BA DEP scheme, you need to ge holding a UK Part-FCL Licence at time of submitting application. For managed path, you only need to be able to achieve your licence before joining. For BA DEP, you'd need 500 hours or 100 sectors on the A320 or 1500 hours on an aircraft type that satisfies ZFTT and flown this type in the last 12 months. For managed path, it's just 1500 hours flying experience on a military aircraft. The managed path scheme opens the application door to those who (a) haven't yet got a licence in hand and (b) won't ever achieve 1500 hours on a aircraft type that satisfies ZFTT...ie most military pilots who don't already fly Voyager, Envoy, P3 etc.
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Lordflash is not too far off the mark with potential career progression. Direct entry longhaul is currently not on the table and will not be until all internal postings have been exhausted, assuming there are further vacancies at that point. You’d be bottom of the seniority pile anyway and that’s not a great place to be on JSS (and 777 in particular).
You will join RHS A320 at LHR or LGW (if you get a choice, the former most likely wins). A fairly quick command is potentially likely at LGW but you will be frozen there for six years before you can move elsewhere. Your seniority means you would be extremely unlikely to take your command with you to your next fleet.
Traditionally, a shorthaul command at LHR takes around ten years and a longhaul command takes seventeen to eighteen. There have been occasions when SH has gone (much) more junior but longhaul doesn’t really change. Factor this into your thinking too.
You will join RHS A320 at LHR or LGW (if you get a choice, the former most likely wins). A fairly quick command is potentially likely at LGW but you will be frozen there for six years before you can move elsewhere. Your seniority means you would be extremely unlikely to take your command with you to your next fleet.
Traditionally, a shorthaul command at LHR takes around ten years and a longhaul command takes seventeen to eighteen. There have been occasions when SH has gone (much) more junior but longhaul doesn’t really change. Factor this into your thinking too.
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What is the difference between a senior First Officer and a First Officer? In the link it has an image of a pilot with the name tag senior first officer on it.
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