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Old 29th Apr 2023, 17:52
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Originally Posted by Dunhovrin
Can someone explain why we’re using the soon to be demobbed Hercules when there are perfectly serviceable A400s sitting around Brize. Waiting for spares..
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Actually RAF A400 was on the ground in Sudan on the first night ( with 1x C-130) They have been flying multiple sorties to evacuate people every day since. Heard one A400 report 219 EP's on board which is quite something.

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Old 29th Apr 2023, 17:58
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
With your humanitarian instincts pouring forth, combined with a resolute support of officialdom "always knowing best "...clearly, you could have risen to the highest level in the FCO...albeit you are not alone on here in this respect.
This report offers a slightly different, and probably far more realistic, account of the dangers faced by those attempting to leave....
NHS medics and UK nationals faced risky route to Sudan evacuation point | Sudan | The Guardian
It is not 'officialdom' in any sense - it is advice that people are free to ignore, as indeed these people have.
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What a strange and prejudiced view of a BBC run by Tories and constantly leaning over backwards, on the likes of Question Time, to be as lenient and forgiving as possible to this bunch of incompetent self serving bar stewards.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...ives-the-right
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Originally Posted by Speedywheels
Irrelevant!

Have you ever watched Question Time? Or a Chris Mason or Laura Kunnesburg interview of a Tory Minister?
Or looked at the BBC board and it’s open support of the Tory party in terms of background, party donations or loans arranged?
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
Irrelevant!

Have you ever watched Question Time? Or a Chris Mason or Laura Kunnesburg interview of a Tory Minister?
Or looked at the BBC board and it’s open support of the Tory party in terms of background, party donations or loans arranged?
Thanks for your time, I’ve really enjoyed the conversation 🥱
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Originally Posted by Speedywheels
Thanks for your time, I’ve really enjoyed the conversation 🥱
Try watching BBC, you may educate yourself!
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Originally Posted by Dunhovrin
Can someone explain why we’re using the soon to be demobbed Hercules when there are perfectly serviceable A400s sitting around Brize. Waiting for spares..
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Thank you Albert. Still serving to the end.
What spares are needed for a perfectly serviceable A400. If its perfectly serviceable it doesn't need spares.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 07:33
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
With your humanitarian instincts pouring forth, combined with a resolute support of officialdom "always knowing best "...clearly, you could have risen to the highest level in the FCO...albeit you are not alone on here in this respect.

This report offers a slightly different, and probably far more realistic, account of the dangers faced by those attempting to leave....
NHS medics and UK nationals faced risky route to Sudan evacuation point | Sudan | The Guardian
Seems to me pretty typical woke reporting, similar to what we have had to endure from the BBC. Anyone watching/reading could be forgiven for thinking there were British Nationals and NHS doctors only whereas I’m sure there are other foreign nationals with work permits who are unfortunate in that they don’t work for the NHS and so won’t be benefiting from the virtue signalling of our media.

I would like to think that if it was me and my country was coming apart at the seams with people being injured and killed by shrapnel, and I was a trained medical professional, I would be making my way to a local hospital to try to help out. Let’s hope the returning doctors are coming back to go to work and not go on strike!
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 08:33
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well so far they' haven't sent a plane to rescue people's dogs..................
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well so far they' haven't sent a plane to rescue people's dogs..................
“They” didn’t send one last time either.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 09:53
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Harrowing events. Reminds me of the time my Dad was evac'd outa Tehran in '79 in a Herc to, I think, Brize or Stansted. Leaving the Iranian Border, Skipper said on the PA; "If you want to reset your watches to UK, wind them back two hours. If you wish to stay on Iran time, wind them back 200 years."- Gentle relieved smiles all round, apparently .=
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 10:57
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One pic of a rescue flight did have several dog boxes in the cabin.
May have been German or Spanish.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 11:09
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Germany and French evacuated 30+ other nationalities. The British position to evacuate only British nationals seems pretty unique.
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All I would say to all you armchair critics is, have you ever taken part in any evacuation flights or tried to organise any of them? It is not easy and usually chaotic. There are far too many unkowns that have to be dealt with.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 12:57
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
well so far they' haven't sent a plane to rescue people's dogs..................
. . . though it would be the mark of a decent civilization if they did



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What made me wonder was his use of the term "work permit" instead of visa - pretty sure that in his situation I would have stressed the word visa (ie right of entry (but not necessarily right to work)) - however I suspect that in this case those responsible for checking in were inadequately briefed.​​​​​
Good point, but ironically I used the term "work permit" because when I moved to the US, that's the language used. I never thought of using the term "visa" because when I grew up in the UK, I didn't need one

A bit when you need a haircut in a small town with two barbers. Do you go to the one with the hacked around hairstyle, or the one with the smooth and flowing locks?




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All I would say to all you armchair critics is, have you ever taken part in any evacuation flights or tried to organise any of them? It is not easy and usually chaotic. There are far too many unknowns that have to be dealt with.
That I don't doubt for a second

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Old 30th Apr 2023, 13:35
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If I recall correctly there was a report of runway deterioration. The Wiki entry includes a photograph of locally recruited spray crews applying bitumen or tar binder over what appears a stone and rolled surface. This technique is used for simple lightly trafficked roads but would hardly suit runways. The Hercs should manage fine over the resulting loose stones, not so sure about the A400, while there are many videos of jets removing a runway's top surface.
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Originally Posted by TWT;[url=tel:11426535
11426535]The Indonesian Air Force is evacuating its citizens from Khartoum. Saw a press pic of a 737 on the ramp.

That's a long journey.
The 737 unlike the RAF A321 operated by Titan Airways are quite self sufficient, they don’t need external steps or loading equipment etc & as the A321 are flown by civilians they wouldn’t be allowed anywhere near Sudan.
If the 737 is operated by the Indonesian AF, it would get to Sudan a lot quicker than a C130.

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Old 1st May 2023, 07:46
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The TNI-AU have 6 but I think they're all notionally VIP 737's
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Old 1st May 2023, 11:00
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Originally Posted by nomilk
Germany and French evacuated 30+ other nationalities. The British position to evacuate only British nationals seems pretty unique.
Question of numbers i would guess. Germany evacuated 780 total, France 936 and Britain 2 122
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Old 1st May 2023, 11:44
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Not pointing at anybody but there must be a lot of people left who would like to get out but can't? Even people living there for longer said they were surprised by the sudden and fast escalation.
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