NORDO over England 04/03/2023, N362PH
Remember a politician somewhere has to make that decision with nowhere to duck and cover the flak.
Wouldn’t have been that hard to say, and the pilot would have known it. There is no way in a million years the government gives the go ahead to shoot down a passenger aircraft.
Remember a politician somewhere has to make that decision with nowhere to duck and cover the flak.
Remember a politician somewhere has to make that decision with nowhere to duck and cover the flak.
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Wouldn’t have been that hard to say, and the pilot would have known it. There is no way in a million years the government gives the go ahead to shoot down a passenger aircraft.
Remember a politician somewhere has to make that decision with nowhere to duck and cover the flak.
Remember a politician somewhere has to make that decision with nowhere to duck and cover the flak.
No politician with the required authority will duck their responsibility. Presented with a very real threat of an aircraft heading off course towards a major city, not complying with an armed aircraft's instruction to follow, and not responding in a manner that every pilot knows and understands. The consequences of inaction are known in those circumstances and the flak far greater than actually doing what everyone in the chain is trained to do.
Incidents like this in the press make it known to the public what the consequences could be. If it happened for real I don't believe any backlash would be as great as you think.
An added bonus, if you can call it a bonus, is that post 9/11, every passenger knows the consequences and will fight given the opportunity. Long gone are the days of ""sit quietly and no one will be harmed".
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"the days of ""sit quietly and no one will be harmed"."
I though t that was the standard BA Passenger Briefing...................
I though t that was the standard BA Passenger Briefing...................
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What would you do in a hijack / unlawful interference situation knowing the likely outcomes? The passengers of Flight 93 knew their fate if they did nothing - they fought back. They were unfortunate that they failed in saving themselves but there are people alive today blissfully unaware that their lives were saved by the passengers' actions that day; the flight never made it to its intended target.
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But why not revert to his previous radio selection if he couldn't make contact with London Control?
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I wonder if there was an initial plan to put it into LHR, but that changed last minute. ???
Fr24 shows quite a few aircraft sat on the ground waiting to go.
Don't rely on what you see on FR24; there's always a queue for departures at Heathrow. Talkdownman will tell you how long; I've never worked there.
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I even heard that once they replied to a 'MAYDAY' by saying 'hey fella you're transmitting on guard'.
In the old days I thought the procedure in the event of radio failure was to continue to destination, SEN in this case, in accordance with your Flight Plan. He descends from FL180 to FL070 between Reading and Egham, heading East, then at 1224Z turns onto a Northerly heading maintaining FL070. As his Flight Plan wouldn't have conformed with that doesn't it look like he was instructed to do so? Anyone know at what time was the interception made? Was he under the 'control' of the Typhoon from Egham onwards or did that comence later than that?
Good point
Good point Chevron; from basic flight school & airmanship (common sense) if no joy on new freq’y go back to previous freq’y that was working, I had to do that myself once at night inbound to McCarran & saved the night for us
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And if you`ve really lost the radios,pull out your PLB/ELT........
I doubt anyone seriously thought that a civil aircraft with only 2 crew on board had been hijacked, however it was a good reason to provide valuable training to the fighter controllers and the QRA and give the technical equipment a good workout.
Doesn't need to be hijacked by a third party; both crew in league (or one overpowers the other) to initiate some nefarious agenda.
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