Royal New Zealand Navy

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[rattman]

Originally Posted by typerated

Aussie in not popular at all in NZ after some of Canberras less than friendly decisions.

Austrailia first might come back and bite them on the bum.

NZ not coming to a war is about as important as the guy with polka music not coming to the party

[typerated]

Originally Posted by rattman

NZ not coming to a war is about as important as the guy with polka music not coming to the party

Fair enough - we are happy to leave you to it.
But why does Australia continually whinge about our lack of commitment to defence?

[West Coast]

Originally Posted by typerated

Fair enough - we are happy to leave you to it.
But why does Australia continually whinge about our lack of commitment to defence?

Because of the lack of commitment to defense.

[Woodsy2417]

Love the advert-. Lack of commitment, you say sir!! The 5 new Hercules and 4 Poseidons will have China thinking twice about something or other, I think...er ...tell myself. yeh right.

[rattman]

Originally Posted by typerated

Fair enough - we are happy to leave you to it.
But why does Australia continually whinge about our lack of commitment to defence?

Do we ! Never really bothered about it personally I think NZ actually does a decent job with its defence for such a small GDP (smaller than 2 of australias states). They have decided on the ASW niche and thats where they stay

NZ citizens have a over rated sense of their own importance

[typerated]

Originally Posted by rattman

. They have decided on the ASW niche and thats where they stay

Comically no we have not decided on ASW as our niche!
Even our P-8’s are not for ASW.
Better watch out – you might get a prize for the most ill informed comment of the year!

[Ivor_Bigunn]

Interesting Factoid: The first time that NZ fought a battle under their own flag was at the Battle of the River Plate, in 1939, when HMNZS Achilles helped two RN ships sink the Graf Spee. Source: Wikipedia.

[megan]

The ship was on loan to New Zealand at the time of the battle and was known as HMS Achilles, it didn't receive the HMNZS designation until nearly two years later when the ship was transferred to the NZ Navy when the New Zealand Navy was formed. .At the time of the battle she served in the Royal Navy New Zealand Division, about 60% of the crew were New Zealanders.

[dduxbury310]

Originally Posted by megan

The ship was on loan to New Zealand at the time of the battle and was known as HMS Achilles, it didn't receive the HMNZS designation until nearly two years later when the ship was transferred to the NZ Navy when the New Zealand Navy was formed. .At the time of the battle she served in the Royal Navy New Zealand Division, about 60% of the crew were New Zealanders.

Rather obscure fact is that ACHILLES's service was generally as detailed above by megan, but with a twist. The NZ Division of the RN was redesignated as HMNZS because of the authorised change of title in August 1941, when it was specifically stated that all that had changed was the title of the service - the NZ Division was renamed RNZN (plus appropriate cap tallies for sailors). There was no transfer of the ship between navies (although it APPEARED as though a transfer had occurred at this point, in fact this had taken place years earlier when it was first "loaned" to the Division). Also the use of the term "loaned" referring to the arrangements for meeting costs of the warship in NZ service is sometimes taken to mean that no charges were levied by British Govt for the "loaned" ship. Many New Zealanders also assumed this meaning, and even after World War Two, many uninformed citizens of NZ were keen to state that the RNZN consisted predominantly of ships "loaned, borrowed or stolen". This may have been slightly true (but not the theft bit!), but certainly not for the cruisers, all of which were hired at agreed rates, which were substantial, and included all fuel, stores, etc, plus all wages and costs of RN personnel employed, plus all maintenance. I imagine that many other warships in larger navies were "loaned" under similar arrangements to smaller ones, as were aircraft, or even squadrons of aircraft (the Canberras and Venoms loaned by RAF to RNZAF at Cyprus and Singapore in mid 1950s to early 1960s certainly were). The "Loan charges" all show up in the NZ Government's budgets for and expenses paid for defence.

[Traffic_Is_Er_Was]

New national anthem: "God defend New Zealand?"