Aeronautical Charts "FI" identification beacons
Originally Posted by ScottBouch
Thanks for the info on Pundit Beacons! Every day's a school day.
So it's either FI for Flashing Ident, or Fl for Flashing.
I knew this wouldn't be straightforward!
So it's either FI for Flashing Ident, or Fl for Flashing.
I knew this wouldn't be straightforward!
Originally Posted by NutLoose
Do they still use the cloud height lights, Odi used to have one next to the gliding club building. one vertical and one that used to run up and down the vertical beam to triangulate the height..
Why would it be an upper-case "I" for "Identification", when its obviously there solely for the purpose of identification? Why not also "L", for light?
On nautical charts (as per ScottBouch at post #13) all the symbology is relevant in describing the characteristics of the light;
F = abbreviation for fixed (ie a steady light).
Fl (Capital Foxtrot, lower case Lima) = abbreviation for flashing. (a system of digits and characters may follow to define the quantity and duration of cycle).
G = abbreviation for Green; R = Red, and so forth.
Therefore, I suggest; FlR =Flashing Red.
On nautical charts (as per ScottBouch at post #13) all the symbology is relevant in describing the characteristics of the light;
F = abbreviation for fixed (ie a steady light).
Fl (Capital Foxtrot, lower case Lima) = abbreviation for flashing. (a system of digits and characters may follow to define the quantity and duration of cycle).
G = abbreviation for Green; R = Red, and so forth.
Therefore, I suggest; FlR =Flashing Red.
Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz
Why would it be an upper-case "I" for "Identification", when its obviously there solely for the purpose of identification?
Avoid imitations
I think the “I for ident” is because some, but not all of these lights flashed their station ident in morse code.
Others just flashed on/off without a specific code.
Others just flashed on/off without a specific code.
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
I think the “I for ident” is because some, but not all of these lights flashed their station ident in morse code.
Others just flashed on/off without a specific code.
Others just flashed on/off without a specific code.
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Heathrow ident light
I'm old enought to remember fondly the large green flashing ident light at Heathrow, near the southern perimeter road. I doubt whether that would be of much use nowadays ... I wonder what happened to it, it must have some historical value.
Originally Posted by gunning
I'm old enough to remember fondly the large green flashing ident light at Heathrow, near the southern perimeter road.
Originally Posted by FantomZorbin
Station Ident Beacon = Pundit ... but why? Who/what is Pundit?
Google is your friend. Presumably because they transmitted the airfields Pundit code.
A pseudonym no doubt in an attempt to keep it quasi secret. Like “ Tube Alloys “. There’s a whole section on pundit lights. They even had mobile pundit units to deploy them away from airfields as decoys etc.
Originally Posted by FantomZorbin
Station Ident Beacon = Pundit ... but why? Who/what is Pundit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pundit_Beacon
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
I think the “I for ident” is because some, but not all of these lights flashed their station ident in morse code.
Others just flashed on/off without a specific code.
Others just flashed on/off without a specific code.
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Cranfield being CD. With my slightly nerdy yachtie head on all maritime lights have a colour (default white), characteristic (Fl, Occ numbers etc) and a period eg Fl (2) 5sec would be two white flashes every 5 seconds.
Airfield ident lights are red (military) and green (civ) and Morse coded to the airfield so I guess that detail is not portrayed on the aeronautical chart.
Coincidentally we had this conversation in the car two days ago:
’Didn’t there used to be a flashing red light at Waddington?’
’Yes, it’s the Pundit flashing a morse ident, probably WA’
’Why’s it called a Pundit?’
’mmmmmmmm’. Goes to google.
Airfield ident lights are red (military) and green (civ) and Morse coded to the airfield so I guess that detail is not portrayed on the aeronautical chart.
Coincidentally we had this conversation in the car two days ago:
’Didn’t there used to be a flashing red light at Waddington?’
’Yes, it’s the Pundit flashing a morse ident, probably WA’
’Why’s it called a Pundit?’
’mmmmmmmm’. Goes to google.
the last one operating as far as I know is at RAF Cranwell, on the top of the College building
Avoid imitations
The red one at RAF Newton (located at ground level on the south side of the airfield) was still working for some years after the airfield closed. There’s no sign of it now though. Hopefully it’s gone to a museum because it had been the only “nav aid” at Newton.
Cranwell's 'Willy' is an aeronautical light house rather than a Pundit.
It seemed much brighter when I was there in 1968 than when I was there a few years later - was the wick turned down?
It seemed much brighter when I was there in 1968 than when I was there a few years later - was the wick turned down?
Originally Posted by BEagle
Cranwell's 'Willy' is an aeronautical light house rather than a Pundit.
It seemed much brighter when I was there in 1968 than when I was there a few years later - was the wick turned down?
It seemed much brighter when I was there in 1968 than when I was there a few years later - was the wick turned down?
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Some CAA charts have a legend that shows "FIG" (for green beacons at civil aerodromes) and "FIR" (red beacons at government fields), so the middle initial is almost certainly an uppercase "I" (for Identification) and not a lower case "L".
Originally Posted by MPN11
Economies strike in unexpected places! Probably got to dim LEDs.
