RAF Rivet joint and the SU-27s

[dead_pan]

Originally Posted by golfbananajam

For my education, is there any reason that Rivet Joint flies a stretched figure 8 pattern rather than an oval (https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae01d0)?

Or just turn and reverse the track?

My guess is that its something to do with the sensor suite and uplink, also spending c.half the track close to the area of interest.

[langleybaston]

Originally Posted by dead_pan

Or just turn and reverse the track?

My guess is that its something to do with the sensor suite and uplink, also spending c.half the track close to the area of interest.

please avoid public speculation

[Ninthace]

Originally Posted by The Helpful Stacker

From a personal perspective, I'd rather specific information regarding any military operations, especially that regarding an a/c my younger brother flies, weren't speculated upon.

Just sate yourself with the knowledge that those who need to know why they operate the way they do are well aware of why, whilst those who don't need to know are justifiably kept in the dark.

Thank you.

The way they operate and where is clear for all to see, Their tracks are visible on the tracking websites, when they have their transponders on. It is not unreasonable to assume this is deliberate.
Why they operate the way they do is probably known to the other side who have similar aircraft designed for the same purpose. Nevertheless, those that are in the know, know to say nowt, and the rest are just speculating.

[golfbananajam]

Originally Posted by Ninthace

Hard to be sure from the current picture, but it looks turns are being made with the stern to the threat. Looking at call sign JAKE11.
YANK02 (200 Suoer King Air) seems to be doing the same.

That's the only thing I can see in the turn but just wondered if there was any fact to it. Not that it matters to me, just interested that's all.

Out of interest, if you watch the guards at BP, they always do their about turn to face the public so they never have their back to the public, only ever to the palace.

[Ninthace]

Originally Posted by golfbananajam

That's the only thing I can see in the turn but just wondered if there was any fact to it. Not that it matters to me, just interested that's all.

Out of interest, if you watch the guards at BP, they always do their about turn to face the public so they never have their back to the public, only ever to the palace.

Not sure what you mean but the ac heading, speed and altitude can be seen from the website so you can see which way they are turning, no to mention that you can enlarge and watch the turn in progress, Are you suggesting the track is being spoofed?

[NutLoose]

Probably to maximise sensor time on whatever they are looking at and easier to track straight line courses on GPS than circuits, though they are circuits, simply flattened and stretched.

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[uxb99]

Maybe flying a figure of eight saves fuel and increases endurance. You cover less distance flying an eight rather than a loop.

[Ninthace]

Originally Posted by uxb99

Maybe flying a figure of eight saves fuel and increases endurance. You cover less distance flying an eight rather than a loop.

Perhaps it stops the crew getting giddy?

[uxb99]

Originally Posted by Ninthace

Perhaps it stops the crew getting giddy?

Or they are just navigating around a baked bean?

[Ninthace]

Having opposing legs at different angles will increase the area swept with side sensors, but not by much but it would facilitate an element of triangulation for distant sources.

[vernon99]

Originally Posted by uxb99

Or they are just navigating around a baked bean?

No no they are simply ensuring their pies heat up evenly in the galley oven. Don't want one side cold......

[ACW342]

Pies??

Originally Posted by vernon99

No no they are simply ensuring their pies heat up evenly in the galley oven. Don't want one side cold......

Jock Pies?

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Coriolis. It's always, C.: Coriolis.


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[k3k3]

Originally Posted by golfbananajam

For my education, is there any reason that Rivet Joint flies a stretched figure 8 pattern rather than an oval (https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae01d0)?

In the olden days before avionics got clever aircraft nav systems were based on gyros, systems like MRG and AHRS, and if you always turned the same way for hours on end errors would mount up, the gyros would get the leans, flying figures of eight evened out the errors.

With modern avionics it doesn't matter but old habits die hard.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by uxb99

You cover less distance flying an eight rather than a loop.

Depends what you mean by that.

You fly further, and longer, in a figure of eight than you do in a racetrack with the same major and minor dimensions, ceteris paribus.

[DuncanDoenitz]

Originally Posted by golfbananajam

Out of interest, if you watch the guards at BP, they always do their about turn to face the public so they never have their back to the public, only ever to the palace.

My guess would be that the BP Guards have forward-firing countermeasures, but we shouldn't be discussing this in an open forum.

[langleybaston]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

Depends what you mean by that.

You fly further, and longer, in a figure of eight than you do in a racetrack with the same major and minor dimensions, ceteris paribus.

Either way, the captain flies less far than the co. if left hand circuits or indeed left hand eights. . Assume circuit radius r.
Caotain 2 pi. r . Co 2 pi [r + a liitle bit] ..... The little bit is the distance between their seats.

The shape of the circuit can always be approximated to a circle for argument's sake.

Corioli might just have a say but the experts suggest 2/3 of 4/5 of buggerall. Corioli is like entropy .............. I distinctly remember understanding them for 5 minutes.

[langleybaston]

Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz

My guess would be that the BP Guards have forward-firing countermeasures, but we shouldn't be discussing this in an open forum.

and shiny pointy things.

[uxb99]

Originally Posted by langleybaston

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