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Her Majesty's funeral

Old 21st Sep 2022, 10:11
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Access is easy on youtube and for the life of me I cannot agree with you.

Question: what rank is "our chum".?

Comment: he has a bearer behind him, and a SNCO or WO very close beside/ behind. There was every opportunity to put any error right. The bearers were not under arms.
ARRSE, who one would expect to get excited, appear to have no visibility.

Please provide an enlargement: one would expect to see a white plume/ no white plume disparity in the party.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...beth-ii-london
Might also note that the Bearer Party appear to have black or very dark grey plumes.

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Old 21st Sep 2022, 10:30
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Originally Posted by diginagain View Post
Thank you but I avoid all BBC i player output, and indeed all BBC output for very good personal reasons.
A screen shot close up would convince folk, I am sure.

However, unseemly for me to nag about the matter so I will wind my neck in.

But why is ARRSE silent ............ full of anti Guards sentiment usually? Or perhaps I failed to find it.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 10:51
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AP 1358, CHAP 1 Page 9 of 21 AL17

0117. Occasions when No 1 Service Dress may be worn. Officers on the Retired and Reserve Lists, Royal Auxiliary Air Force officers and ex officers who are permitted to retain their rank may wear uniform on the following occasions: a. When attending: (1) Investitures and Royal Garden Parties. (2) State ceremonial occasions. (3) Parades in an official capacity, in connection with the celebration of the Sovereign’s birthday. (4) Their own wedding or other military weddings when the sponsor requests the wearing of uniform. (5) When attending formal Service functions. b. When participating in an official capacity, in: (1) Non-Service parades. (2) War Memorial services and associated parades. c. When inspecting or visiting: (1) RAuxAF units in an official capacity. (2) Units of the Combined Cadet Force (CCF) of the Air Training Corps (ATC) on behalf of the Ministry of Defence or Territorial and Auxiliary Forces Associations. d. When appointed for service with the ATC (the rank badges to be worn are those appropriate to the ATC appointment). e. When on duty as officials duly appointed by the Ministry of Defence. f. When holding the appointments of ADC to Her Majesty’s Governor General or Governor. g. When holding the appointment of Lord Lieutenant or Deputy Lord Lieutenant of a county, High Sheriff or Sheriff and discharging the duties of that appointment. (Lieutenancy insignia may not be worn on RAF dress but entitled RAF flying badges may be worn on the Lieutenancy dress). Wearing the Uniform of Voluntary Organisations.

So Prince Andrew and Prince Harry could ,and in my opinion,should have worn uniform on the parades,because of their active service!
But I realise that the King’s decision is final! - Royal Politics!
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 11:54
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Originally Posted by mahogany bob View Post
AP 1358, CHAP 1 Page 9 of 21 AL17

0117. Occasions when No 1 Service Dress may be worn. Officers on the Retired and Reserve Lists, Royal Auxiliary Air Force officers and ex officers who are permitted to retain their rank may wear uniform on the following occasions: a. When attending: (1) Investitures and Royal Garden Parties. (2) State ceremonial occasions. (3) Parades in an official capacity, in connection with the celebration of the Sovereign’s birthday. (4) Their own wedding or other military weddings when the sponsor requests the wearing of uniform. (5) When attending formal Service functions. b. When participating in an official capacity, in: (1) Non-Service parades. (2) War Memorial services and associated parades. c. When inspecting or visiting: (1) RAuxAF units in an official capacity. (2) Units of the Combined Cadet Force (CCF) of the Air Training Corps (ATC) on behalf of the Ministry of Defence or Territorial and Auxiliary Forces Associations. d. When appointed for service with the ATC (the rank badges to be worn are those appropriate to the ATC appointment). e. When on duty as officials duly appointed by the Ministry of Defence. f. When holding the appointments of ADC to Her Majesty’s Governor General or Governor. g. When holding the appointment of Lord Lieutenant or Deputy Lord Lieutenant of a county, High Sheriff or Sheriff and discharging the duties of that appointment. (Lieutenancy insignia may not be worn on RAF dress but entitled RAF flying badges may be worn on the Lieutenancy dress). Wearing the Uniform of Voluntary Organisations.

So Prince Andrew and Prince Harry could ,and in my opinion,should have worn uniform on the parades,because of their active service!
But I realise that the King’s decision is final! - Royal Politics!
I don't have access to that extract but was aware that there are obviously exceptions that allow the wearing of uniform for those having left the services, as I know one of the former equerries to the Queen who was in the party accompanying the coffin on its various routes through London/Windsor - in his RAF uniform.

I agree it seems unnecessary to not have allowed Harry and Andrew to wear their former uniforms. No longer having royal duties would understandably preclude dressing up as Admirals or Generals etc, but wearing their actual former service dresses (as William did in the funeral service) would seem appropriate.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 12:46
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Thank you but I avoid all BBC i player output, and indeed all BBC output for very good personal reasons.
A screen shot close up would convince folk, I am sure.
I wouldn't bother. You won't see anyone with their hat on back-to-front.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 13:12
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Ferchrissakes give the lad(s) a break. People have topped themselves for less.
Even if it were on back to front that’s probably down to the soldier handing out the bearskins after carrying the coffin. One of the troopers from Balaklava Co RRS had the ribbons from his Glengarry trapped under his headdress for the whole walk up the Royal Mile. Virtually impossible to mitigate against in the seconds they are given to don headwear. Quite a few of the RN party did not have their caps aligned. Again, as they’re not allowed to be at ease to redress impossible to prevent. And we’re all instant experts of course.
They carried the actual coffin no less than 10 times. To say nothing of the rehearsals. And negotiated the St George Chapel steps without a single slip or falter.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 13:16
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Originally Posted by diginagain View Post
It's gen, and if you've access to a recording of the event you'll be able to see our chum with his titfer on backwards.
Having watched a series on the Coldstream Guards recently, mainly for amusement, there was a clip showing the troops being paraded with deliberate dress errors for baby officers to practice their observation skills on regarding turnout standards.....now I'm sorry, but, a dirty great chunk of bearskin worn back to front, given all the rest of the inspections and preparations involved, would be difficult to miss ..along with the rest of the usual attention to detail shown elsewhere in the series.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 13:30
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I presume that RAF bandsman lining the Long Walk didn't suffer any injury when he got almost knocked to the ground by the horse of one of the Blues and Royals, who decided to have a bit of a 'don't like playing this game' moment before the rider got him back under control.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 14:53
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I wouldn't bother. You won't see anyone with their hat on back-to-front.
Agreed, and I know ARRSE and journos look at PPRuNe, so surely would have gone to town taking the p1$$.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 15:29
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Agreed, and I know ARRSE and journos look at PPRuNe, so surely would have gone to town taking the p1$$.
OK.

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Old 21st Sep 2022, 16:00
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Little foibles apart, which we as ex or current military seem to rejoice in noticing, I would seriously doubt the public the World over would have been in nothing but awe at the whole spectacle.
I myself having a quick channel flick was surprised at the depth of coverage from the likes of CNN, I suppose it is really a once in a generation event, no matter how tragic it was.

Yes, you get the big parades in China and N Korea that tend to be simply stationary troops in large formations as a column of vehicles proceed past, but this was different, these were troops marching in unison over long distances and with horses involved, often around some of the trickist obstacles with consummate ease and with the minimum of time for preparation.

You just couldn't get better and every one of them from the people shovelling up the horse manure to those in charge of the whole show, should feel justifiably proud to have taken part in a generational event and having produced a spectacle fit for our Queen for the whole World to see.. Few Countries come close to the pomp and pageantry we perform with aplomb.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 16:46
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On Youtube there is a film in the Pathe archieve of the procession for Queen Victoria. Soldiers marching across an entrance with arms reversed while dignataries are trying to walk across them! Eventually they are stopped and pushed out of the way.Trying to get the coffin off the same gun carriage as yesterday, about a dozen officers ( with plume hats) Climbing on boxes to get it off. Of course it is a silent film so you can't here the swearing! Our troops made it look easy. Practice makes perfect.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 17:57
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I switched on to watch the start of the ceremonial and was totally spellbound. My compliments and thanks to all the Service personnel who gave our late and wonderful Majesty such a magnificent sendoff. I doubt if even our younger viewers will see its like again.
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Sure would have been nice to have had a missing man flight down the mall with a flight of four spits at some point this week.. that is always a poignant sight.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 19:32
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Originally Posted by diginagain View Post
Bugger me!

Apologies due.

Plume/ no plume is pretty conclusive.

Right in front of his officer.
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Originally Posted by Test Monkey View Post
Sure would have been nice to have had a missing man flight down the mall with a flight of four spits at some point this week.. that is always a poignant sight.

And perhaps Concorde. And a flight of Meteors in the trail.
It was excellent just as it was.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 19:41
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Apologies due.
Right in front of his officer.
None necessary! I'm sure Big Vern will have had words with the member of the support team that collected and subsequently distributed the bearskins, with a debrief round the back of the Abbey. With a reversed bearskin you can just about see the heels of the chap in front of you, you just have to press-on and hope not too many people spot the gaffe.

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Old 21st Sep 2022, 20:33
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Whilst I appreciate that not everyone is a Monarchist the lack of compassion by some astounds me.
https://variety.com/2022/tv/global/b...ip-1235373375/
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 20:50
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Originally Posted by Geriaviator View Post
I switched on to watch the start of the ceremonial and was totally spellbound. My compliments and thanks to all the Service personnel who gave our late and wonderful Majesty such a magnificent sendoff. I doubt if even our younger viewers will see its like again.
They will all see another one in 2-3 years most likely! Going to be a bust next few years. Coronation next year, and a few years after that….
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They will all see another one in 2-3 years most likely! Going to be a bust next few years. Coronation next year, and a few years after that….
Geriaviator didn't say we'd not see another (Royal funeral, coronation, wedding, etc), but that we will not see its like again. I suspect he is right. Expect a coronation lite next year? The King is talking of cutting back on Royalty's extent. Where better to start than with his own Coronation? You heard it here first....
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