Russian fighter crash at takeoff

[A0283]

https://www.nu.nl/295300/video/russi...p-de-krim.html

[fdr]

Link doesn't seem to work, if this is the SU-24 SU-25 pairs takeoff and #2 has a bad day on the left turn out... originally I thought it may be a wake encounter, another look at the video suggests that he has had an engine failure on the LHS and done an impromptu VMCair demonstration. Some days need a reset button.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by fdr

if this is the SU-24 pairs takeoff and #2 has a bad day on the left turn out

No, definitely a pair of Frogfeet.

[NickB]

Video works for me.

I've read elsewhere their wing tips collide, causing the crash, but having watched the video over and over they seem a fair distance apart, certainly far apart enough not to have collided.

Not sure why the pilot didn't bang out, unless he tried but the seat malfunctioned?

[treadigraph]

No2 well behind the lead aircraft. Sorry about the inane commentary...

You Tube

[Recc]

Originally Posted by NickB

Video works for me.

I've read elsewhere their wing tips collide, causing the crash, but having watched the video over and over they seem a fair distance apart, certainly far apart enough not to have collided.

Not sure why the pilot didn't bang out, unless he tried but the seat malfunctioned?

If you look closely you can (I think) see an ejection at around 20s in the above video [EDIT: the original, not the slightly lower quality youtube link]. Obviously far too late at that point....

[Beamr]

Originally Posted by fdr

Link doesn't seem to work, if this is the SU-24 pairs takeoff and #2 has a bad day on the left turn out... originally I thought it may be a wake encounter, another look at the video suggests that he has had an engine failure on the LHS and done an impromptu VMCair demonstration. Some days need a reset button.

I believe I know the video you refer to and this is the same video, posted earlier in the Ukraine thread. And it is a SU25.

[Less Hair]

Do they need a prior permit to eject?
I know for a fact that during the Cold War some eastern air force pilots did need one. Some commanding officers were western COMINT monitored, preferring to let some of their men crash. Not individual cases.

[uxb99]

Originally Posted by Less Hair

Do they need a prior permit to eject?
I know for a fact that during the Cold War some eastern air force pilots did need one. Some commanding officers were western COMINT monitored, preferring to let some of their men crash. Not individual cases.

Surely that's a joke? Given the choice of dead or no permit I'll take the rap for no permit.

As to why the pilot didn't eject sooner. By the time the pilot realises it's probably too late. Do these aircraft have zero zero ejection seats?

Is this accident the fault of the leader? Shouldn't he be grabbing some speed, altitude just in case?

[Less Hair]

Not a joke. I cannot share more details.

[NickB]

Originally Posted by Recc

If you look closely you can (I think) see an ejection at around 20s in the above video [EDIT: the original, not the slightly lower quality youtube link]. Obviously far too late at that point....

I've looked again, but cannot see any signs of ejection? He rolls to port and turns completely inverted before going in.
Perhaps he realised it was too late to attempt getting out?
I've never heard about permission to eject before - sounds completely insane! A rule made by General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett perchance?!! Bahhhhh!!

[Recc]

Originally Posted by NickB

I've looked again, but cannot see any signs of ejection?

You can see a white flash around the cockpit area briefly at the 20s mark. Very similar (though less obvious) to the video of the Ukrainian SU-25 shootdown/ crash earlier in the war. It could have been a reflection, but seems unlikely given the cloud cover.
Earlier incident: https://theaviationist.com/2022/03/1...shing-ukraine/

[NickB]

Originally Posted by Recc

You can see a white flash around the cockpit area briefly at the 20s mark. Very similar (though less obvious) to the video of the Ukrainian SU-25 shootdown/ crash earlier in the war. It could have been a reflection, but seems unlikely given the cloud cover.
Earlier incident: https://theaviationist.com/2022/03/1...shing-ukraine/

I've looked again and there might be something, but indistinct.

One wonders if the Ruskies are low on experienced aircrew, hence the lack of ejection - all conjecture, I know.

[fdr]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

No, definitely a pair of Frogfeet.

D'oh, gotta put on my glasses or get a braille key board. 25... not 24. There was one for sale in the USA some time back, pre moratorium.

[Less Hair]

A poor man's A-10.

[Martin the Martian]

Originally Posted by Less Hair

A poor man's A-10.

Actually, a very good ground attack aircraft capable of carrying a large amount of ordnance and able to soak up a lot of punishment, as some images posted online in recent months will testify.

It's not a poor man's anything.

[luckyrat]

Speaking of chits to leave or not leave an aircraft you have just signed for!
Those in charge in the UK at the start of WW1, forbid RFC pilots from wearing parachutes in case they decided to leave a perfectly serviceable aeroplane during combat!
So maybe things don’t change?

Anyroder, a fellow aviator just died. He probably didn’t know why someone had just sanctioned his mission?

[common toad]

Those in charge in the UK at the start of WW1, forbid RFC pilots from wearing parachutes in case they decided to leave a perfectly serviceable aeroplane during combat!

Don’t let the facts get in the way of a bar story. There were no suitable parachutes availed at the start of WW 1.

[luckyrat]

Originally Posted by common toad

Don’t let the facts get in the way of a bar story. There were no suitable parachutes availed at the start of WW 1.

After over 18,000 flight hours, some times arriving home with less aircraft than I took off with, I assure you if all I had was a knotted handkerchief, and my arse was on fire 🔥 I would have jumped…….🙀

[pr00ne]

Originally Posted by common toad

Don’t let the facts get in the way of a bar story. There were no suitable parachutes availed at the start of WW 1.

What about the hundreds of observation balloon observers who escaped from burning or deflating balloons BY PARACHUTE.