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Old 24th Aug 2022, 15:55
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I don't know, if things haven't changed over the intervening years, you often used to get the blind leading the blind...

I bet you didn't see that coming, I wonder if QR's etc are now available in multiple languages and large print as is most council bumpf these days
As needs to be seeing 20% of the Army come from abroad as we cannot recruit white British people to get inducted into army life. Base plates matter.
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 15:58
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Try looking at the back seaters and there are 3 young ladies, they have had female pilots in the past who left, also all of the blue team are not all white, you have to remember people volunteer to join them, it's not simply a selection from the RAF, cannot understand another thread on the subject either.



https://www.raf.mod.uk/display-teams...rows/the-team/
I know of only one person that ended up on the Reds as a first tourist engineer. He runs Jet Art Aviation now and the story is in Dave Gledhill's book "Ground Crew Boys"
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 16:04
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You may SNIGGER, but if it's a large dog that likes to bury bones, it could be a BIGGER DIGGER.
In the remake it'll be a red setter named Ginger...
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 16:14
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Originally Posted by MPN11
Perhaps a Black Labrador Guide Dog could be recruited, with an RAF-wide contest to choose its name?
More likely to be Barky McBarkyface
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 16:27
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How bout a quick contest to see which person could check the most boxes?

I'll start:

A black/Asian mix female that identifies as a man, who is legally blind, confined to a wheelchair by spinal injury, has Tourettes Syndrome, and has severe PTSD from an undisclosed traumatic event.
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 16:28
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What a waste of money and resources. Time the REDS were disbanded.
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 16:31
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What a waste of money and resources. Time the REDS were disbanded.
Nooooo!
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 16:33
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No women, no people of colour, no LGBTQ+, no one with special needs
If the alleged reports of a 'toxic culture" of sexual harassment, assault, misogyny and bullying are correct, then is it any wonder ... ?!?!?!

50 plus years of respect for the Red Arrows and all they stand for is suddenly starting to evaporate - I hope the reports are proved to be unsubstantiated, but in so many cases there is no smoke without fire.

I wonder how some of the heroes of the past would have withstood scrutiny in this day and age - some of the reports, and records, of the RAF 'greats' leave a lot to be desired.

On the other side of the coin, you have to have that arrogance and mentality to be a leader and a fighter in the first place, so unfortunately it is hard to have one without the other.

A very sad day to be even discussing this.
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 16:37
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Agreed, they need someone to use up all those steam driven Hawk parts they now have since they chopped the fleet.

The trouble is Spanner the world has gone anal and the fun police look at destroying anyones legal enjoyment, even if they have done nothing wrong, look at the Finlands PM who was dragged over the coals for simply enjoying a party with friends in her downtime, heck, she even was more or less forced to take a bloody drugs test to get them off her back, totally and utterly wrong. If they have not done anything wrong leave them alone, if they have it’s a different matter.

I was watching the news this morning and the reporter was commenting that the Ukraine war, one of the most important and tragic world events of this century has all but dropped off the news channels and press, but Boris’s party was dragged out in the press and news channels for over a year and it probably still hasn’t finished.


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Old 24th Aug 2022, 16:41
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim
I know of only one person that ended up on the Reds as a first tourist engineer. He runs Jet Art Aviation now and the story is in Dave Gledhill's book "Ground Crew Boys"
Brings back a few memories. I worked with CW very briefly on 11 Sqn many years ago. I remember you had to put a gen app in for RAFAT. The overall mood seemed to be very negative about it and a sort of 'what's the point?'. I remember CW was very positive about it and spoke very highly of his time there. Glad I listened to him as I ended up posted there very shortly after. I accidentally stumbled across Jet Art Aviation some years later and he seems to have done really well for himself. I didn't know him particularly well, and I didn't fit in too well on the squadron, but I remember him being a proper decent guy.

Anyway... thanks for the mention of the book. Looks good and I look forward to reading it.
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 17:09
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The last time the RAF had a pilot with no legs on active duty was 1946, pretty disgraceful when you think about it.
Maybe, but 40 years later the mighty Wokka was occasionally piloted by a pair with only one good leg between them
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 17:14
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The last time the RAF had a pilot with no legs on active duty was 1946, pretty disgraceful when you think about it.
Which of course helped him in combat
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 17:24
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim
I know of only one person that ended up on the Reds as a first tourist engineer. He runs Jet Art Aviation now and the story is in Dave Gledhill's book "Ground Crew Boys"
One of my entry was posted directly to the Reds...he applied on the "dream sheet " for Little Riss so was surprised to say the least...

In far more recent times, several AMM's applied straight out of training...and got their choice.
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 17:31
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I applied for Odiham from training and got it, I even got posted back to Brize off a course and back onto the same shift, which was unheard of due to the Boss requesting me and somehow wangling it, he even got my original posting changed…… so I must have been doing something right.
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 17:34
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NutLoose. GA good fit or the ‘10s wing tanks?
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 17:43
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Originally Posted by SpannerInTheWerks
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On the other side of the coin, you have to have that arrogance and mentality to be a leader and a fighter in the first place, so unfortunately it is hard to have one without the other.
My view too. Any 'elite' outfit tends to that extreme end of the graph.
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 17:50
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Originally Posted by vegassun
How bout a quick contest to see which person could check the most boxes?

I'll start:

A black/Asian mix female that identifies as a man, who is legally blind, confined to a wheelchair by spinal injury, has Tourettes Syndrome, and has severe PTSD from an undisclosed traumatic event.
You could add one-legged Nun I suppose, dwarf and deaf.

All in very bad taste, banter is off limits.

I reserve my right to offend in general terms.
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 17:52
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My view too. Any 'elite' outfit tends to that extreme end of the graph.
Cheshire VC does not fit.
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 18:03
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NutLoose. GA good fit or the ‘10s wing tanks?
Was originally posted away then boss wangled me back to Brize but was then slated to go to base hangar, but they then went to eng wing said they hadn’t gone to all this trouble to get that to happen and got me returned to LSS..

1O wing tanks….. shiver.

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Old 24th Aug 2022, 18:11
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Cheshire VC does not fit.
There are always ouliers, Sir!
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