Reported Pause in RAF White Recruiting To Meet Diversity Targets
Also need to remember that P2 and P3 are recruited differently.
P2 was always (and still is a selection). OASC, and CBAT if reqd, then the top scorers selected. P3 was a race to "jump through the necessary hoops". Applicants were loaded onto courses on completion of the "hoops" then the trade would shut. There never really has been selection for P3, more a minimum standard. If you pass the minimum standard (AST, SI) then it is a race. No selection takes place after the AST and SI.
Edit: Beaten to this point by ATG by 3 minutes.
P2 was always (and still is a selection). OASC, and CBAT if reqd, then the top scorers selected. P3 was a race to "jump through the necessary hoops". Applicants were loaded onto courses on completion of the "hoops" then the trade would shut. There never really has been selection for P3, more a minimum standard. If you pass the minimum standard (AST, SI) then it is a race. No selection takes place after the AST and SI.
Edit: Beaten to this point by ATG by 3 minutes.
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Comedy is a form of art, and art is subjective. No point explaining jokes, you either found it funny, or you didn't. My point was that the overly woke don't seem to have much of a sense of humour, and often seem to delight in saying "that's not funny" as if only their opinion counts, when what they should say (if they feel they must comment) is "I don't think that's funny."
Comedy is a form of art, and art is subjective. No point explaining jokes, you either found it funny, or you didn't. My point was that the overly woke don't seem to have much of a sense of humour, and often seem to delight in saying "that's not funny" as if only their opinion counts, when what they should say (if they feel they must comment) is "I don't think that's funny."
None of the correspondence leaked thus far has indicated how the white males who did succeed were selected. If they received the same "equal merit" treatment as the minorities and females, then presumably they were allocated training places in the order they applied, or the order they attended OASC, or alphabetical order, or some other system like that. If, on the other hand, they were selected based on their merit scores - with the highest scores being offered places - then stand by for the law of unintended consequences to take hold, as white males perform better *on average* through training and in their early careers, with consequences for numbers succeeding at promotion boards... you saw it predicted here first.
I would surmise that having to deal with a lot of unconscious bias not to mention some outright discrimination, made the ones who stayed work harder and better.
Mind you, I might have been brainwashed, with one wife, three daughters, five granddaughters and a bitch for a dog.
I found, as a gliding instructor, that wimmin generally made better pilots than blokes. For example. If I asked a lady to fly at, say 45kts, she would fly at…..45kts.
Most blokes would fly ‘somewhere between 40 and 47…ish.’
I had the privilege of flying some of the first ladies selected for RAF Pilot training to give the some air experience prior to the FTS. Impressed I was.
Most blokes would fly ‘somewhere between 40 and 47…ish.’
I had the privilege of flying some of the first ladies selected for RAF Pilot training to give the some air experience prior to the FTS. Impressed I was.
Why do we always have to do this?
In conversations such as this it always seems to be a race to appear the most enlightened by recounting various tales of how females are better than males. Personally I find it condescending and probably prone to significant bias or poor recollection.
In my experience from 23 years in the RAF, 15 of which were spent as a Hawk QFI (teaching students from 14 different nations in three different air forces), I can honestly say from the hundreds of students I have taught (only 7 of whom were female) that the females did not stand out in any way at either end of the spectrum. No more so than a cross section of their male peers. Some were good, some were not, some worked hard, some did not, some passed and some were chopped. I do not feel that I need to justify my feminist credentials by artificially lauding their abilities or conversely by diminishing their achievements. They were all trainee fast jet pilots with a job to do. End of story.
I would be genuinely fascinated to hear from a female pilot at this point to know how they feel about the issue. Would they rather just get on with the job? Do they love the extra attention? Do they hate being held up as poster children?
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In my experience from 23 years in the RAF, 15 of which were spent as a Hawk QFI (teaching students from 14 different nations in three different air forces), I can honestly say from the hundreds of students I have taught (only 7 of whom were female) that the females did not stand out in any way at either end of the spectrum. No more so than a cross section of their male peers. Some were good, some were not, some worked hard, some did not, some passed and some were chopped. I do not feel that I need to justify my feminist credentials by artificially lauding their abilities or conversely by diminishing their achievements. They were all trainee fast jet pilots with a job to do. End of story.
I would be genuinely fascinated to hear from a female pilot at this point to know how they feel about the issue. Would they rather just get on with the job? Do they love the extra attention? Do they hate being held up as poster children?
BV
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Not just Aircrew, but also ATC which had/has a high percentage of female controllers (we had no artificial quotas). Some were good, some very good and some cr*p. Just like the blokes, really.
The only female difference I noticed as a Local Examiner was that they seemed to be more aware of the consequences of their actions, which could manifest as nervousness. But some I supervised were really rather good.
The only female difference I noticed as a Local Examiner was that they seemed to be more aware of the consequences of their actions, which could manifest as nervousness. But some I supervised were really rather good.
One of the great sadnesses about the recent “quota” furore is that prior to it, having female aircrew had simply ceased to be a “thing” . As BV says they were just more students / crews. Now, as a result of the targets every non white / non male will have to deal with suspicion that they are just filling a quota.
Unintended consequences!
Unintended consequences!
Just to carry on about unintended consequences, why would you wish to join an organisation knowing that your career would be limited, even subtly by your race or sex? I see the white males doing their flying tours and leaving as soon as possible. Why stay.?
In conversations such as this it always seems to be a race to appear the most enlightened by recounting various tales of how females are better than males. Personally I find it condescending and probably prone to significant bias or poor recollection.
In my experience from 23 years in the RAF, 15 of which were spent as a Hawk QFI (teaching students from 14 different nations in three different air forces), I can honestly say from the hundreds of students I have taught (only 7 of whom were female) that the females did not stand out in any way at either end of the spectrum. No more so than a cross section of their male peers. Some were good, some were not, some worked hard, some did not, some passed and some were chopped. I do not feel that I need to justify my feminist credentials by artificially lauding their abilities or conversely by diminishing their achievements. They were all trainee fast jet pilots with a job to do. End of story.
I would be genuinely fascinated to hear from a female pilot at this point to know how they feel about the issue. Would they rather just get on with the job? Do they love the extra attention? Do they hate being held up as poster children?
BV
In my experience from 23 years in the RAF, 15 of which were spent as a Hawk QFI (teaching students from 14 different nations in three different air forces), I can honestly say from the hundreds of students I have taught (only 7 of whom were female) that the females did not stand out in any way at either end of the spectrum. No more so than a cross section of their male peers. Some were good, some were not, some worked hard, some did not, some passed and some were chopped. I do not feel that I need to justify my feminist credentials by artificially lauding their abilities or conversely by diminishing their achievements. They were all trainee fast jet pilots with a job to do. End of story.
I would be genuinely fascinated to hear from a female pilot at this point to know how they feel about the issue. Would they rather just get on with the job? Do they love the extra attention? Do they hate being held up as poster children?
BV
I respect your report on your findings re. females who you trained and managed during your career.
However, you seem not to respect the reported experiences of others.
Not your usual style.
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Do they hate being held up as poster children?