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Old 19th Apr 2022, 12:04
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Spoken like a true DM reader 76fan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a...United_Kingdom
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 12:28
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Spoken like a true DM reader 76fan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a...United_Kingdom
That link doesn't support your argument at all.


Also, just for the record, I would be extremely annoyed if my little village were suddenly to become a refugee centre. I am of the opinion that if people have travelled through many safe countries to get to the UK, in search of safety, then they shouldn't be at all unhappy with Rwanda as a final destination. Safe, and plenty of opportunities.

It's not like I can just choose to decamp anywhere in the world that I fancy and demand the right to live and work there.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 12:31
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Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
I agree plans. This thread sits firmly in JB having been hijacked by casual racists and NIMBYs. Iím hoping none of them are currently serving.
read the posts.
not NIMBYism as I said. This, in the format it is being foisted on us should not happen in anyones backyard.

Relevance to Mil Aviation..? Pretty clear to me that ANY recently closed or pending closure base is fair game. You may even live next to one.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 12:59
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Spoken like a true DM reader 76fan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a...United_Kingdom
Wrong again Crab. Have you seen the news today re Horse Guards Parade?
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 13:14
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Just listening to Talk Radio, the host describes routinely taking a Taxi ride after work driven by a Bangladeshi chap. The man in question explained that his Bangladeshi community live cheek by jowel "within" the community. In other words, they live a polit existence, they get on with the people they interact with, but they don't mix. They are a community within a community, they don't go to the pub or broadly engage in the social activities of the host community, if I may put it that way. This is all very well, but it isn't integration and has already seen challenges in the past. The once was a Political agitator, Dr Khalim Siddiqui, who once wrote for the Guardian, when it was the Manchester Guardian. He constantly berated British people as racist and unaccommodating, be cause we wouldn't accept in part or whole, sharia law. He called it the Dictatorship of the majority dressed up as Democracy. His solution was a recognised Muslim state within the UK, with its own laws and customs.

'Kalim Siddiqui, a militant Muslim leader who convened the assembly in London Jan. 4-5, denounced what he called "the dictatorship of the majority dressed up as democracy."

His fiery inaugural speech to 155 members of the parliament at Kensington Town Hall, London, drew sharp rebukes from government ministers. Reactions by other British Muslims revealed a community sharply divided on claims of a need for their own parliamentary body.'

The quote, albeit, is from the Christian Science Monitor. But is none the less reliable as a result. I recall back in the early 1990s this chap was constantly on the attack, verbally, against western customs and liberal attitudes. I hope I'm dealing fact here and not some form of ignorant rabble rousing. I've tried to attach a link but it won't take so here's another quote from the text;



'Home Office Minister John Patten called Dr. Siddiqui's address "nonsense" and warned British Muslims that it came perilously close to being an incitement to racial hatred.

Siddiqui responded to Mr. Patten's criticism by accusing the minister of having a "condescending attitude" toward Muslims.
Moderate Muslim groups responded by saying that the so-called parliament's members did not represent their views.

But Mohammed Faridi, general secretary of the Association of Muslims in Britain, a moderate grouping, warned that the so-called parliament was well funded, well organized, and "unlikely to listen to the government or to the voice of reason, Muslim or otherwise."

He pointed out that Siddiqui, who was born in Pakistan and heads London's pro-Iranian Muslim Institute, came to prominence nearly three years ago when he endorsed the late Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa (death sentence) on novelist Salman Rushdie. On that occasion he narrowly escaped prosecution for advocating murder.' I fully accept that Dr Siddiqui was an extremist but I was quite shocked at the time that someone should advance such a view and of course there are always moderating voices, but I think we should be more descerning about who the asylum seekers are. There may be no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker, but to split hairs, there is such a thing as a 'bogus asylum seeker'. I also accept that this thread should be moved to Jet Blast, but as always the debate widens and accusations of racism and being DM reader turn it into what it is, so I thought I'd provide smoe historic insight.

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PS The original article appeared on 8 January 1992.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 15:27
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY View Post
In both instances, the attacker was a British citizen.
We have to be careful with regards defining all of these "visitors" as scum an dother highly emotive terms. The issue is they are all "unknowns" and if 99.8% of them are perfectly decent, law abiding young men who want to better themselves in life then that leaves the 0.2% (1 person) intent on doing harm to a member of the community. It only takes 1 to commit a murder, or a rape, or a serious assault. They have the freedom to do that and a freedom to disappear into the night, never to be found again.

The govt. is spending a lot of money on this, accommodation is available. I wonder how many homeless veterans would appreciate a safe, warm and facility-loaded place to stay FOC.
It's a good job we haven't always been such a cynical and unwelcoming bunch or neither I, my parents, nor their immigrant parents would have been here for decades minding our own business and paying taxes etc.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 15:32
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Wrong again Crab. Have you seen the news today re Horse Guards Parade?
And in the mean time how many British nationals have been arrested for knife crime over the Easter weekend?

Look at the stats and see that white people commit the most serious crimes in this country - picking out some individuals (however bad their crimes might be) from immigrant or refugee groups is just biased and extrapolating the individuals crimes to the whole immigrant/refugee community is lazy and ignorant.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 15:44
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The Home Secretary just confirmed in the House that the Asylum centre at Linton-on-Ouse will open within 6 weeks.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 15:55
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Originally Posted by Darkmouse View Post
That link doesn't support your argument at all.


Also, just for the record, I would be extremely annoyed if my little village were suddenly to become a refugee centre. I am of the opinion that if people have travelled through many safe countries to get to the UK, in search of safety, then they shouldn't be at all unhappy with Rwanda as a final destination. Safe, and plenty of opportunities.

It's not like I can just choose to decamp anywhere in the world that I fancy and demand the right to live and work there.
Perhaps you can explain why the UK grants asylum to hundreds of Rwandans each year as they flee persecution and violence? How do you justify sending people to a country that we consider as a valid case for granting asylum due to the violence there?
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 16:48
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj View Post
Perhaps you can explain why the UK grants asylum to hundreds of Rwandans each year as they flee persecution and violence? How do you justify sending people to a country that we consider as a valid case for granting asylum due to the violence there?
Rwanda is classed as the 6th safest country in the world.

https://www.euronews.com/travel/amp/...w-survey-finds
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 16:57
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
And in the mean time how many British nationals have been arrested for knife crime over the Easter weekend?

Look at the stats and see that white people commit the most serious crimes in this country - picking out some individuals (however bad their crimes might be) from immigrant or refugee groups is just biased and extrapolating the individuals crimes to the whole immigrant/refugee community is lazy and ignorant.
Crab, do you have any actual evidence to back up your assertions?
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 17:24
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj View Post
Perhaps you can explain why the UK grants asylum to hundreds of Rwandans each year as they flee persecution and violence? How do you justify sending people to a country that we consider as a valid case for granting asylum due to the violence there?
Itís also worth nothing that the EU run a similar scheme and use Rwanda as a refugee centre.

https://ec.europa.eu/international-p...9TkpaS2Sm_ChgE
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 17:26
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
And in the mean time how many British nationals have been arrested for knife crime over the Easter weekend?

Look at the stats and see that white people commit the most serious crimes in this country - picking out some individuals (however bad their crimes might be) from immigrant or refugee groups is just biased and extrapolating the individuals crimes to the whole immigrant/refugee community is lazy and ignorant.
As the indigenous population, a description I use advisedly, still amounts to about 87% of the overall population, most of which reside in the more rural towns and cities, I would expect that the majority of crimes would be commited from within that sizeable number. The knife crime you're referring to is largely the blight of the metropolis, London, Manchester, Birmingham etc. As for whether these crimes are commited by what proportion of white people or other folk, is always withheld when knife crime is reported anew. I can only safely take guess that it is essentially adolescent boys/men who re involved and usually gang related. I recall the Met Commissioner, Sir Paul Condon, back in 1994/5 getting into hot water with the press because he revealed who was disproportionately responsible for the street crime statisitics for Greater London.

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Old 19th Apr 2022, 17:31
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy View Post
As the indigenous population, a description I use advisedly, still amounts to about 87% of the overall population, most of which reside in the more rural towns and cities, I would expect that the majority of crimes would be commited from within that sizeable number. The knife crime you're referring to is largely the blight of the metropolis, London, Manchester, Birmingham etc. As for whether these crimes are commited by what proportion of white people or other folk, is always withheld when knife crime is reported anew. I can only safely take guess that it is essentially adolescent boys/men who re involved and usually gang related. I recall the Met Commissioner, Sir Paul Condon, back in 1994/5 getting into hot water with the press because he revealed who was disproportionately responsible for the street crime statisitics for Greater London.

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This may shed some light?

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures....arrests/latest

This may also help provide information?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...ce-system-2020
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 17:41
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Originally Posted by Blue_Circle View Post
It's a good job we haven't always been such a cynical and unwelcoming bunch or neither I, my parents, nor their immigrant parents would have been here for decades minding our own business and paying taxes etc.
I think you may misunderstand Blue_Circle. This is not a case of being unwelcoming at all. We are here in a community of around 1000 people, isolated and with very little to "entertain" guests and we are about to be inundated, not with families, but with 500+ single males (single as in lone travellers) of questionable and unknown background. I am sure you would be as equally upset if 500 Geordie, Scouse, Brummie males were over your back fence.

You give the impression that your family came here as a family and by normal means. That is NOT what is happening at Linton.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 17:43
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj View Post
The Home Secretary just confirmed in the House that the Asylum centre at Linton-on-Ouse will open within 6 weeks.
Do you have a link to the statement please? I cannot find mention of the "6 weeks" aspect. Just an "opening shortly" statement.

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Old 19th Apr 2022, 19:07
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy View Post
Just listening to Talk Radio, the host describes routinely taking a Taxi ride after work driven by a Bangladeshi chap. The man in question explained that his Bangladeshi community live cheek by jowl "within" the community. In other words, they live a polite existence, they get on with the people they interact with, but they don't mix. They are a community within a community, they don't go to the pub or broadly engage in the social activities of the host community, if I may put it that way. This is all very well, but it isn't integration and has already seen challenges in the past.
Hmmm - from experience that could equally apply to many British expat 'enclaves' in Africa and Spain. Some have lived in their host countries for years and made little or no effort to learn the local language. Their insular little circles are often lubricated by gossip, back-stabbing and affairs that wouldn't be out of place in a TV soap opera.
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Hmmm - from experience that could equally apply to many British expat 'enclaves' in Africa and Spain. Some have lived in their host countries for years and made little or no effort to learn the local language. Their insular little circles are often lubricated by gossip, back-stabbing and affairs that wouldn't be out of place in a TV soap opera.
And what is their status in these countries? Are they responsible for any level of crime or just not learning to speak the language? Don't misunderstand me, I think these people, if they aim to stay where they are, should do more to integrate, at least learn the language. But doesn't this, again, prove the point about local communities and how people from without fit in? I'm not going to defend a bunch of rich ex-pats who's stand-offishness puts a barrier between them and the people they have chosen to live among? Somehow, I think their circumstances are different again.

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Old 19th Apr 2022, 19:31
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I do not have a link unfortunately. I was watching parliament live and she was asked if she could confirm whetyher the Asylum Centre at the former RAF linton on Ouse would be happening. She replied that it would, and that it would happen within 6 weeks.
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Old 19th Apr 2022, 20:32
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj View Post
I do not have a link unfortunately. I was watching parliament live and she was asked if she could confirm whetyher the Asylum Centre at the former RAF linton on Ouse would be happening. She replied that it would, and that it would happen within 6 weeks.
Thanks for looking. I have found hansard from today and it just says "opening shortly". Could be a misquote in Hansard (unusual) but have heard the 6 weeks mentioned from 3 sources now but cannot find the root.


In other news from another site...

A centre was set up in a hotel [Rivenhall Hotel, Witham] Priti Patel's constituency . This centre was quickly closed.
A Home Office statement said:
"Asylum seekers should be placed in urban areas which encompass a number of cities or towns so that they can access support easier.""This error was the result of operational failures where the correct policy and procedures were not followed. The Home Office has a statutory obligation to provide asylum seekers who would otherwise be destitute with accommodation. But they should be placed in major conurbations wherever possible so that appropriate support and services can be more readily provided. As this is not the case in this instance, alternative accommodation provision has since been sought in accordance with the Immigration Asylum Act 1999 and the Asylum Support Regulations 2000. A full review of this operation is now being conducted."

The Home Office said there was "a failure to recognise that Rivenhall was not in a major conurbation, and a failure to ensure that appropriate engagement had taken place with council officials and other service providers".


So I do wonder how RAF Linton on Ouse meets the criteria. Oh, hang on, Priti Patel doesn't reside here.
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