Military ethos and Diversity?
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exrivofrigido,
There wouldn't have been a strategy to explain to Starmer when he voted, without qualification, against the policy deploy forces overseas on a combat footing in general. This was a principal nothing more specific. As for Daesh, I don't believe he misunderstood the strategy, simply disapproved. But I believe the strategy, as I understood it was, to destroy Isis, or at least erode their capability to seize more towns and cities, expand and threaten more people wider afield. in this particular instance, I don't know what more evidence he needed of the danger of Isis to all in their path. The aerial bombing also supported Kurdish, Yazidi and Iraqi forces on the ground, we are in a far better state of affairs as a result. Isis still exist, perhaps they always will, but they are far from the burgeoning mobile force, well sponsored, by someone, and expanding with volunteers heading out from anywhere. Jeremy Corbyn was forever trying to find ways to have air strikes suspended including, at the time when the RAF were banned from bombing targets in Syria, Corbyn alluded that the RAF's efforts had little impact because of this. But he didn't mean the RAF should have been allowed to bomb in Syria, as they eventually were, he was making the case for pulling out. This tends to be the trend in the left, but I admit, the current government has a dismal record on defence and maintaining a worthwhile posture. But its all on a relative scale. But look I'm directly responsible for thread drift on my own thread!
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There wouldn't have been a strategy to explain to Starmer when he voted, without qualification, against the policy deploy forces overseas on a combat footing in general. This was a principal nothing more specific. As for Daesh, I don't believe he misunderstood the strategy, simply disapproved. But I believe the strategy, as I understood it was, to destroy Isis, or at least erode their capability to seize more towns and cities, expand and threaten more people wider afield. in this particular instance, I don't know what more evidence he needed of the danger of Isis to all in their path. The aerial bombing also supported Kurdish, Yazidi and Iraqi forces on the ground, we are in a far better state of affairs as a result. Isis still exist, perhaps they always will, but they are far from the burgeoning mobile force, well sponsored, by someone, and expanding with volunteers heading out from anywhere. Jeremy Corbyn was forever trying to find ways to have air strikes suspended including, at the time when the RAF were banned from bombing targets in Syria, Corbyn alluded that the RAF's efforts had little impact because of this. But he didn't mean the RAF should have been allowed to bomb in Syria, as they eventually were, he was making the case for pulling out. This tends to be the trend in the left, but I admit, the current government has a dismal record on defence and maintaining a worthwhile posture. But its all on a relative scale. But look I'm directly responsible for thread drift on my own thread!
FB
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My daughter’s course were not allowed to have a Friday morning bacon butty because of one ‘person’ that objected. Courses ahead, begin Ad and a syndicate of her course could indulge. That was the objection of a single individual.
Totally ok, because the individual felt included.
Totally ok, because the individual felt included.
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Strange isn’t it, one person in group of bacon munchers objects, no bacon butty for anyone, one smoker in group, none smokers object, smoker gets sent outside to have a smoke.
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Popeye and Nutloose,
This seems to be the problem with what has become a religious mindset and an evangelical pursuit of righteousness, democracy has bugger all to do with it, nor indeed the rights of one individual. Its the subject at hand, if it fits with the progressive life style and doctrine (environmental concern, minority inclusion, political view etc) it prevails, if it doesn't, despite the majority in favour, its out.
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This seems to be the problem with what has become a religious mindset and an evangelical pursuit of righteousness, democracy has bugger all to do with it, nor indeed the rights of one individual. Its the subject at hand, if it fits with the progressive life style and doctrine (environmental concern, minority inclusion, political view etc) it prevails, if it doesn't, despite the majority in favour, its out.
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Not a scientist but I don't think being in the presence of a bacon butty being eaten gives the non eater cancer in the same way passive smoking affects non smokers. Of course the bacon butty eater could go and stand outside with the smoker to engage in their habits in peace and quiet.
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Not a scientist but I don't think being in the presence of a bacon butty being eaten gives the non eater cancer in the same way passive smoking affects non smokers. Of course the bacon butty eater could go and stand outside with the smoker to engage in their habits in peace and quiet.
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My daughter’s course were not allowed to have a Friday morning bacon butty because of one ‘person’ that objected. Courses ahead, begin Ad and a syndicate of her course could indulge. That was the objection of a single individual.
Totally ok, because the individual felt included.
Totally ok, because the individual felt included.
Well in the examples provided, there'd be a whole bunch of Bacon Butty munchers and one refusenik? Therefore, the the odd ball who doesn't like Bacon should go and stand outside with the smoker! That way democracy wins, the one out of step in each crowd goes outside to either avoid the unhealthy habit of the majority, or as the case may be, to avoid the healthy habits of the majority.
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As Exrivo has said above, it seems a case of weak leadership to ban the buttys (wouldn't survive the Daily Mail test surely?)
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I'm still slightly surprised that bacon sandwiches were banned because someone objected. At an RAF station I was working out of a few years ago we used to have bacon sandwich Fridays, paid for by the OC and cooked on the George Foreman in the crew room. They only fell by the wayside because the holding officer responsible for the purchase, cooking and cleaning up of the event was selfishly removed to go and continue his flying course.
As Exrivo has said above, it seems a case of weak leadership to ban the buttys (wouldn't survive the Daily Mail test surely?)
As Exrivo has said above, it seems a case of weak leadership to ban the buttys (wouldn't survive the Daily Mail test surely?)
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With reference to Bacon Butty Eaters/ Non Eaters, was this a Vegan issue? Can Vegans now dictate what everybody else consumes
and must we all adopt Vegan principles? Perhaps the next step is for a member of Alcoholics Anonymous to insist all service (and civil)
establishments are dry.
If it is religion based, can other religions ban eating beef for example?
Surely we should be trying to foster Cohesion, Tolerance and Teamwork, NOT allowing a new and different approach to alienate people!!
Lets try the Old Adage - Live and Let Live. It seems to work in most cases. Bullying and Discrimination is not tolerable in any situation.
and must we all adopt Vegan principles? Perhaps the next step is for a member of Alcoholics Anonymous to insist all service (and civil)
establishments are dry.
If it is religion based, can other religions ban eating beef for example?
Surely we should be trying to foster Cohesion, Tolerance and Teamwork, NOT allowing a new and different approach to alienate people!!
Lets try the Old Adage - Live and Let Live. It seems to work in most cases. Bullying and Discrimination is not tolerable in any situation.
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Well said!
Well, funny you should say that, TT...
In the Oxonian Green Republic, the following bolleaux recently took place:
Can you imagine that happening in your part of the world?
In the Oxonian Green Republic, the following bolleaux recently took place:
An Oxford City Council Green party councillor has ruffled feathers for calling for all meetings to provide solely plant-based food. He also urged for more plant-based options to be served in schools across Oxford. Now, the plans have been approved and the Green Party has banned meat and dairy from all official council events.
The councillor called to educate more young people about the ethical, environmental, and health implications of their food choices.
The councillor called to educate more young people about the ethical, environmental, and health implications of their food choices.
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If the steak is what is called "Rare" in UK, out here it is considered as being cremated!! Also comes with a large range of accompanying
vegetables ; to whit Fries and a little Salad garnish. Usually accompanied by a very pleasant locally produced "Fruit Juice"
I do not know of any French Vegetarians, let alone Vegans. There are probably a few, but they stay well hidden!!
Anyway why should Vegans be allowed to persecute animals by eating their food!
If the steak is what is called "Rare" in UK, out here it is considered as being cremated!! Also comes with a large range of accompanying
vegetables ; to whit Fries and a little Salad garnish. Usually accompanied by a very pleasant locally produced "Fruit Juice"
I do not know of any French Vegetarians, let alone Vegans. There are probably a few, but they stay well hidden!!
Anyway why should Vegans be allowed to persecute animals by eating their food!
I came here to the forum to post a picture of the chinny memorial in the Falklands, but forum rules dictate i need to post 10 times to allow that, so have visited a number of discussions to get my quota up. As a previous poster some years back (BTS70) i had to apply for new membership due to email change, often look never felt the need to post on regular basis.
Seems to be a level of suspicion on this forum for new members?
I served 1988 to 2019, from Airframes mechanic to Engineering manager holding airworthiness risk on an aging platform of upto 26 frames managing upto 100 personnel.
I have seen & done stuff & to be honest possibly hold more worthy first hand experience than some of the posters on here to add comment to some discussions.
You wonder what my cricklade background is?, strange question, simple forum question on registering ....... where do you live, i live in a house in Cricklade.
I will get my 10 posts in then post my memorial picture to assist the poster & if this line of questioning is anything to go by will leave the forum to the small band of posters who obviously are above question.
Seems to be a level of suspicion on this forum for new members?
I served 1988 to 2019, from Airframes mechanic to Engineering manager holding airworthiness risk on an aging platform of upto 26 frames managing upto 100 personnel.
I have seen & done stuff & to be honest possibly hold more worthy first hand experience than some of the posters on here to add comment to some discussions.
You wonder what my cricklade background is?, strange question, simple forum question on registering ....... where do you live, i live in a house in Cricklade.
I will get my 10 posts in then post my memorial picture to assist the poster & if this line of questioning is anything to go by will leave the forum to the small band of posters who obviously are above question.
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Here we go again… you do not know what I was involved in or my full career, ahh clasps, got one of those and in rank I believe the medal precedes those of the gulf wars etc, but this thread is not about that, so take a chill pill and get back on subject please. Different times different conflicts. So please if you want to take pops at me please do it by all means in PM’s, but stop doing it and ruining threads, it does not become you.
I have yet to see a nasty person on here… the odd one needs help, but nasty, no.
I cannot fathom your comment on my politics, I have said in this thread each to their own and they should have freedom of life choices to live their lives as they choose as equals without any stigma or bigotry, God made us all equal, men and women are the ones that screwed that one up.
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I have yet to see a nasty person on here… the odd one needs help, but nasty, no.
I cannot fathom your comment on my politics, I have said in this thread each to their own and they should have freedom of life choices to live their lives as they choose as equals without any stigma or bigotry, God made us all equal, men and women are the ones that screwed that one up.
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