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Old 27th Jan 2022, 19:41
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LBC and BBC both moaning about the Foreign Secretary using '336 for a flight to Oz for a meeting (held annually) with government officials.
LBC are claiming the fligtht cost £500K and included her delegation plus her security team so there were too many going to use a commercial flight.
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what was wrong with using Teams - other video conferencing software is available.......
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LBC and BBC both moaning about the Foreign Secretary using '336 for a flight to Oz for a meeting (held annually) with government officials.
LBC are claiming the fligtht cost £500K and included her delegation plus her security team so there were too many going to use a commercial flight.
14 people on the charter I think Eddie Mair said, surely that's not over the threshold for too many to go on a commercial flight?
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 20:17
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I thought that was exactly what it was for.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 20:28
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It was the Titan A.321 that was used, not the 330.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 20:29
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I thought it was the Titan A321 hence the two fuel stops??
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 20:45
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It was the Titan A321, which is on an exclusive lease to the government for 2 years.

And, yes, the lease works out at about £100K a day, so a 5 day trip costs out at about £500K, but it would cost the same sitting in the ground - so it seems sensible to use it if it had no other planned tasking.

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Old 27th Jan 2022, 21:07
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It would be interesting to see what the contract involves and covers, operating an aircraft involves parking fees, maintenance and insurance costs, sitting on the ground means increased parking costs and increased maintenance costs per hour of utilisation. There will be an optimum hours per year flying to reduce the costings per hour.

They’d be sh*tting kittens if they ever saw the costs they used to spend on prepping a VC10 ( and spare ) for a Royal.

I bet the Chileans at home are not kicking up a fuss over their 767 visiting Waddington
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And, yes, the lease works out at about £100K a day, so a 5 day trip costs out at about £500K, but it would cost the same sitting in the ground - so it seems sensible to use it if it had no other planned tasking.
It’s costing £100k a day, even if it doesn’t fly!?!? 😱
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 21:26
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Quoted as £75M for 2 years, do the maths…
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 22:51
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Getting their money’s worth out of it…

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Old 27th Jan 2022, 23:45
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I’m sure the left would be happier to send HM’s foreign secretary by Air Asia X, until they gain power of course. Then the brown ale and sandwiches go in the bin and the champagne and caviar appears.

Complete non-story.
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 03:11
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Many moons ago a certain airline won a contract worth millions to service and overhaul a fleet of jets from out in the desert, staff were sent to sign the contracts over at the new jet owners HQ abroad, now the airline also had a budget airline and the staff members were booked on a flight out to the HQ’s city, unfortunately the said airline had a policy that fare paying Pax had priority over staff so they were bumped off the jet to allow Doris and her offspring with their £10 tickets to fly off to the sun…. Much apologies over the phone and arrangements made to fly out the next day….. I think you can guess what happened, in the end the Customer flew over to the U.K. to sign the contract.
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I hope everyone was fully jabbed!!!
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 09:24
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Following this nihilistic line of thinking, Ministers should take the bus rather than having chauffeur driven cars, meet in hessian tents rather that refurbished houses of parliament, and so on.
We are a significant sovereign nation (despite it being hard to believe at times) and should act accordingly. If the C02 emissions are bothering us so much, we might be better advised to start with Easyjet etc
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 09:25
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Put alot of key (?) people on the same flight.
Reminds me of a certain helicopter incident.
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Getting their money’s worth out of it…

https://twitter.com/andynetherwood/s...792701959?s=21
So presumably the £75m covers both 321's?
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 09:42
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So Grangela is outraged that the Foreign Secretary uses a charter, rather than a commercial flight, when travelling

1. To Australia to discuss a highly sensitive tripartite agreement
2. During an ongoing crisis involving an potential European conflict
3. Over a duration of 19 hours

All of which will require discussion with her team and potentially SoS Defence and other Whitehall departments. What could possibly go wrong doing that on a commercial flight........?

It is a sad reflection on the capabilities of the media that no-one has pointed that out.
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 10:18
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As falcon900 and others say, there are certain things that require a certain physical presence. If this trip was to discuss important issues, then the UK needed to impress. The cost of this trip seem eye-watering to us mere mortals, but we are probably not very conversant with the sums involved in running a country.

The refurbishment of St Pancras railway station in London was apparently £800 million. HS2 will cost ~ £80 billion or more, which makes £500 thousand just small change. Having said that, it does seem excessive, and one wonders why they couldn't use a scheduled BA flight for example - assuming the service is running? Perhaps standard passenger aircraft security is not sufficient for Government ministers?
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 10:20
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"The refurbishment of St Pancras railway station in London was apparently £800 million"

yes but that's around for 50-100 years - half a million sounds an awful lot for a trip to me.
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