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Old 27th Jan 2022, 16:52
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Originally Posted by reds & greens
From the (now limited), number of frames passing through LFA7, the USAF F-15 are consistently higher than others...
The key word in your statement is "consistently" and having been taking photographs in the Mach Loop for the past 12 years, I have to say you're right, However some F !5 pilots can still pass muster......this from last week in the Loop

and some of the 495th Valkaries made a creditable first attempt.




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Old 27th Jan 2022, 21:07
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
At Gutersloh in winter we could have yellow colour states lasting for weeks. We used to launch and “grobble” our way around when it went up from colour state red (no flying).

A short time later a Puma appeared out of the snow and landed on the sports field just across the public road, outside the main gate. The crew marched across to the guard room and requested the use of a telephone for a call to U.K. A very short time later the Station Commander received a mainly one way telephone call from a certain office back in Blighty, after which a bowser was sent across the road in very short order and the Puma soon continued on its merry way.

Stumblefingers might be able to confirm or correct my recollection.
Sure enough, there is a football field showing on Google Earth. I lived a stone's throw further East, in Zeppelinstrasse, easy walk through side gate to Mess and work, easy stumble home.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 22:31
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Sure enough, there is a football field showing on Google Earth. I lived a stone's throw further East, in Zeppelinstrasse, easy walk through side gate to Mess and work, easy stumble home.
Langley, I know that the football field exists. I was based at Gutersloh at the time….
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 09:20
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Best place to be: easily my favourite tour, easily the most difficult for Met forecasting. Fortunately the customers were clever enough or resigned enough to accept the cockups.

There was a very noisy bar between Zep Strasse and the field: it played Puppet on a string** full volume well into the night.

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Old 28th Jan 2022, 17:59
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Do these Caledonians not know they are living in the McLoop?

I am of course biased but I miss the brief exposure to the sound of freedom that is a passing FJ. Nearest thing we get to a lowish one round here these days is the Sparrows on their way to/from Goodwood for the Festival of Speed (met men conditions permitting).

I suspect the moaners would be even more irritated by a low A400 rattling the windows like we had a few weeks back. Usual that's Odiham's finest arriving what feels like 15 minutes after first 'wok' being heard (I suspect some of my neighbours grump about the late evening ones) but they're rapid compared to the Merlin that distracted me from my gardening for some time on Sunday crawling by sounding like it was diesel powered (probably a CHF one but my 90° view across the roofline obscured the presence or absence of Blue Kestrel).
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 22:25
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The thing is, if you can do it at low level, especially in dodgy weather, medium level is a breeze. So train for the most difficult scenario. And it's the most fun.
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Old 29th Jan 2022, 02:29
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Can you define what ‘it’ is? If you mean practice dropping bombs from the last century in a contested air environment then yes low level is good. But ‘it’ doesn’t work that way any more. The role of modern fast jets is not one that happens at medium level just because it’s easier. It’s done at medium level because that is where the tactics and the weapons dictate that they can be most effective and survivable. Practicing their modern role at low level would be pointless.

During flying training there is definite value for low level as a training tool and a way of assessing and developing mental capacity. That doesn’t mean it will ever have any application in a modern conflict.

There are of course times that certain A-G weapons may need to released with a visual line of sight which may require a FJ to get below the cloud which is why some LL training is still done, but it is nothing like the old fashioned four ship 45/60 second splits from the good old days.

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