New Year Honours 2022 - Military Division
Oh never mind ! It's always contentious.
Without wishing to add to thread drift , do note that Tony Blair ,(recently honoured) endorsed ongoing tax paying military pensioners being disenfranchised if they lived overseas (arguably mainly conservative by instinct ).
Taxation without representation of course, as evinced by the Boston tea party reaction, but of no consequence in the ballot box to get heads in the trough.
Who holds up a principle these days ? (in me! , me!, me! , politics ...
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Without wishing to add to thread drift , do note that Tony Blair ,(recently honoured) endorsed ongoing tax paying military pensioners being disenfranchised if they lived overseas (arguably mainly conservative by instinct ).
Taxation without representation of course, as evinced by the Boston tea party reaction, but of no consequence in the ballot box to get heads in the trough.
Who holds up a principle these days ? (in me! , me!, me! , politics ...
)
You people do like to whine, don’t you? Ever thought that an LAC might not have had the opportunity or the time or the position to achieve great things? Maybe it’s a matter of time for them, because no doubt some of them will do so.
Whereas no matter what you might think you know about him (and I suspect the vast majority have never knowingly been within the same county as him), AM Mayhew has achieved things in his service. In my experience he was a great leader, motivational to all in his command, and he deserves recognition beyond the rank.
As much as you might resent their achievements, people do not simply achieve rank. A vanishing few of them them might be arses but you can bet most of them have worked bloody hard, in difficult circumstances, to get where they have..
Tin hat on.
Whereas no matter what you might think you know about him (and I suspect the vast majority have never knowingly been within the same county as him), AM Mayhew has achieved things in his service. In my experience he was a great leader, motivational to all in his command, and he deserves recognition beyond the rank.
As much as you might resent their achievements, people do not simply achieve rank. A vanishing few of them them might be arses but you can bet most of them have worked bloody hard, in difficult circumstances, to get where they have..
Tin hat on.
Then in that case you should equally award them to long serving Warrant Officers etc.
Sadly, when the BEM (and also the AFM and DFM) was removed to make things more equal for the FSs, WOs and MAcr, then quite the reverse happened - they were now fishing in a bigger pool and so attracted fewer gongs than before. That said, if the medal system is equal then why can’t Officers achieve the MSM as well? But in my opinion, let the WOs, MAcr and FS keep that as it is more of high-end long service award and I would fear the same would happen with it as it has with DFMs, AFMs and BEMs.
I also believe that the ‘them and us’ narrative is unhelpful and what some would call ‘fake news’
I look at this simply. The reward for doing your day job exceptionally well is a good report and eventually promotion into a good job.
Going above and beyond, especially in trying circumstances, should be considered for gong.
Doing a routine job well, when the same job is done elsewhere by someone of lower rank, is definitely not deserving. I know this annoys many.
No qualms about Miss Radacanu though. Gob-smacking.
Going above and beyond, especially in trying circumstances, should be considered for gong.
Doing a routine job well, when the same job is done elsewhere by someone of lower rank, is definitely not deserving. I know this annoys many.
No qualms about Miss Radacanu though. Gob-smacking.
Since HMTQ has seen so many PMs over the years, her endorsement of Tony Blair might give a clue as to his qualities, especially compared to the current incumbent.
Cat Techie - 100% agreed. There also some proper bell ends on the list too - nice folks, but pretty rubbish in their day job!
Managed to congratulate Disco and his reply was as expected and classy.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
Since HMTQ has seen so many PMs over the years, her endorsement of Tony Blair might give a clue as to his qualities, especially compared to the current incumbent.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
Since HMTQ has seen so many PMs over the years, her endorsement of Tony Blair might give a clue as to his qualities, especially compared to the current incumbent.
Apologies for thread drift on a thread concerned with Military Honours.
Jack
Disentangling the above to the modest best of my "civilian I have never been shot at" ability: ***
Message reads:
People who caught Covid today have extreme views that have screwed the UK.
Say again after "good evening" ...............
*** not true, it was a Ju 88, Hove 1941 so it does not count.
Message reads:
People who caught Covid today have extreme views that have screwed the UK.
Say again after "good evening" ...............
*** not true, it was a Ju 88, Hove 1941 so it does not count.
As a geriatric spectator, it seems to me that it is more important to be able to shuffle paper, attend regular soirees and generally suck up to the wheels rather than being dispatched sausage side, in the dark, with a shower of SAMs or flaming onions rising. Was it ever thus?
IG
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we have this argument every Honours List - neither side shifts a mm....................
A big “Well Done” to AM Dame Sue Grey - a well liked ex-Jengo of ASF Odiham.
She seems to have done an excellent job at the RAF Club too.
Last Chance Saloon ........
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Last Chance Saloon for the Big Military Safety Cheese.
Well done indeed ! I hope she continues to justify all your plaudits.
She has but three weeks to decide how the Defence Safety Authority will respond to the North West Wales Coroner's Regulation 28 'Prevention of Future Deaths' letter.
See - Inquest - Corporal Jonathan Bayliss RAF - and numerous other air safety related threads.
This is not a simple matter of sacrificing another Groupie or uttering more platitudes over the wholly forseeable and unnecessary death of a Corporal. She's the Big Safety Cheese, and she has the clout. It's her immediate responsibility to provide an urgent and satisfactory solution to the long-standing, unresolved Hawk T. 1/1A safety and organisational problems.
As the third boss of the DSA since 2015, her time in post may be coming to an end. It's her big chance to stand up for what she should believe in. OTOH, if she wants to be CAS it might be better to keep her mouth shut and toe the long disgraceful line of lies and secrecy since the time of the Mull Chinook. (She'll know a bit about Chinooks too)
LFH
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Last Chance Saloon for the Big Military Safety Cheese.
A big “Well Done” to AM Dame Sue Grey - a well liked ex-Jengo of ASF Odiham.
She has but three weeks to decide how the Defence Safety Authority will respond to the North West Wales Coroner's Regulation 28 'Prevention of Future Deaths' letter.
See - Inquest - Corporal Jonathan Bayliss RAF - and numerous other air safety related threads.
This is not a simple matter of sacrificing another Groupie or uttering more platitudes over the wholly forseeable and unnecessary death of a Corporal. She's the Big Safety Cheese, and she has the clout. It's her immediate responsibility to provide an urgent and satisfactory solution to the long-standing, unresolved Hawk T. 1/1A safety and organisational problems.
As the third boss of the DSA since 2015, her time in post may be coming to an end. It's her big chance to stand up for what she should believe in. OTOH, if she wants to be CAS it might be better to keep her mouth shut and toe the long disgraceful line of lies and secrecy since the time of the Mull Chinook. (She'll know a bit about Chinooks too)
LFH
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Unless she has already replied it’s too late for her….last day in office (and the RAF) was yesterday….
From the RAF website
“Air Vice-Marshal S J Shell CB OBE to be promoted Air Marshal and to be Director General Defence Safety Authority with effect from 7 January 2022 in succession to Air Marshal S C Gray CB who is retiring from the Service.”
From the RAF website
“Air Vice-Marshal S J Shell CB OBE to be promoted Air Marshal and to be Director General Defence Safety Authority with effect from 7 January 2022 in succession to Air Marshal S C Gray CB who is retiring from the Service.”
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Thanks for that gem, Wrathy.
According to 'her' gov.uk DSA website today, she is still the boss, but they've still not yet acknowledged her New Year's Honour. As you correctly inform us, we now learn that she was replaced by Steve Shell on 7th Jan. His appointment to replace her as DGDSA (including the casual aside that Sue was retiring) was announced last November 21st. And Steve's replacement as Director MAA by AVM Gillespie, was announced nearly a year ago.
I note that Dame Sue took post in March 2019, a year after the XX204 crash and she is leaving before any of the (repeat - institutional) problems of that case have been resolved. Her tenure was less than three years. Not very useful, when the fallout from an individual prang currently takes anywhere between four and ten years or more to close properly.
Any road up, wiv 'is pedigree, Steve will now be able to mark 'is own 'omework on the Bayliss case.
It rather reminds me of the old 'Two CEOs and Three Envelopes' joke.
I wonder if she had any say in her horoscope ? Or is it possibly, that they didn't like what she did have to say ? She had plenty of opportunity.
Apologies for the thread drift. You'll need to follow the Bayliss Inquest thread - Inquest - Corporal Jonathan Bayliss RAF - to see how this unfolds.
LFH
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Thanks for that gem, Wrathy.
According to 'her' gov.uk DSA website today, she is still the boss, but they've still not yet acknowledged her New Year's Honour. As you correctly inform us, we now learn that she was replaced by Steve Shell on 7th Jan. His appointment to replace her as DGDSA (including the casual aside that Sue was retiring) was announced last November 21st. And Steve's replacement as Director MAA by AVM Gillespie, was announced nearly a year ago.
I note that Dame Sue took post in March 2019, a year after the XX204 crash and she is leaving before any of the (repeat - institutional) problems of that case have been resolved. Her tenure was less than three years. Not very useful, when the fallout from an individual prang currently takes anywhere between four and ten years or more to close properly.
Any road up, wiv 'is pedigree, Steve will now be able to mark 'is own 'omework on the Bayliss case.
It rather reminds me of the old 'Two CEOs and Three Envelopes' joke.
I wonder if she had any say in her horoscope ? Or is it possibly, that they didn't like what she did have to say ? She had plenty of opportunity.
Apologies for the thread drift. You'll need to follow the Bayliss Inquest thread - Inquest - Corporal Jonathan Bayliss RAF - to see how this unfolds.
LFH
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