AUKUS

[itsnotthatbloodyhard]

Originally Posted by recceguy

By the way, ex-Australian PM Kevin Rudd signed today a very offensive paper in French newspaper "Le Monde" - against current PM Scott Morrison, regarding this matter.
I suggest everybody here to get informed a little bit more.

Ah yes, Kevin Rudd. A grandiose narcissist, whose idea of his own importance isn’t really supported by objective reality. And who is prone to flying into rages when things don’t go the way he wants.

There are some interesting parallels there…

[megan]

Re Darwin as a base, it was attempted to set up a sub base there in WWII, but the high tides, shallow water (easily mined) and open coast line scotched the idea. There is a Japanese sub with the entire entombed crew sitting on the bottom in 157' of water close by, had been sunk by depth charge from a corvette.

[rjtjrt]

Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard

Ah yes, Kevin Rudd. A grandiose narcissistic, whose idea of his own importance isn’t really supported by objective reality. And who is prone to flying into rages when things don’t go the way he wants.

There are some interesting parallels there…

I suggest the French have Kevin. They should offer him some position with a grandiose title, and lots of time so he can phone important people in Europe.
Ask Angela Merkel how much she enjoyed his phone calls.
They will soon send him back!

[Grumpy retiree]

Kevin Rudd is priceless!
Have a look at his record on Wikipedia.
Never has so little be achieved in such a short time in power.
And yet you would think his John Curtin or Robert Menzies the way he carries on.
Julia Gillard thought he was nuts.
Why anybody listens to him is a mystery.

[golder]

Originally Posted by recceguy

Like the Brits in Dunkirk ?

By the way, ex-Australian PM Kevin Rudd signed today a very offensive paper in French newspaper "Le Monde" - against current PM Scott Morrison, regarding this matter.
I suggest everybody here to get informed a little bit more.

I don't think anyone is saying that diplomatically, That it wasn't done poorly and ham-fisted. That doesn't change the facts on the ground.

[golder]

Originally Posted by ehwatezedoing

Back to the usual French bashing I see. Not surprising in a predominantly Anglo speaking forum.
You will say what you want, AUKUS was a total betrayal the way it was “created”

Things will eventually smooth out.

You are confusing the two. AUKUS is an upgrade from 5 eyes. What is contained in that far exceeds a nuke sub. The nuke sub is a shiny, distracting headline to what is happening and is just a small part of AUKUS

[ATSA1]

Looks like USA and France have kissed and made up...

Move along, game over...

[golder]

Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard

I’m wondering if all this hysterical French fury is for real, or just a bit of performative outrage that might impress the likes of the Chinese (who go in for that sort of thing).

There is an election coming. Nationalistic ranting always turns out the voters.
The French are very fair. They will sell anything to anybody.

[Lookleft]

The French are very fair. They will sell anything to anybody.

But if you displease them and not pay enough homage then they will take your money and keep the goods.

[tartare]

Interesting - Chris Uhlmann just mentioned on 9 that all the Aussie head spooks are up in Washington with Morrison as well.

[golder]

Originally Posted by tartare

Interesting - Chris Uhlmann just mentioned on 9 that all the Aussie head spooks are up in Washington with Morrison as well.

As I said earlier. The sub is just a shiny headline. There is some real stuff going on.

[Guptar]

The Pundits are saying that a B-21 Raider (12 airframes) order will be announced in due course.

[AerialPerspective]

Originally Posted by Widger

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland if you please....Great Britain consisting of Scotland, Wales and England. It is like talking about Catalonia, when you meant Spain or British Airways, when you mean IAG.

Anyway, according to sleepy joe, the US has no closer ally than Australia.........Really?...I mean, really?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ter-aukus-pact

Yeh, that gets up my nose too - Americans are the WORST for constantly referring to the UK as 'England' - which hasn't been a sovereign state for more than 300 years, including when they won their independence, they should read their own Declaration of Independence, it doesn't mention England once but rather, refers to "... the history of the present King of Great Britain...."

Then of course, that was the founding fathers who were intelligent and educated - as the Late Gore Vidal once noted "Our Republic was created by the smartest people in the country and we haven't seen them since."

[AerialPerspective]

Originally Posted by HK144

Virginia class boats are not SSBNs they are SSN - Attack Subs. The forthcoming Columbia Class are SSBNs.

Thanks. I must've misread it, I was thinking of the Ohio Class boats which I believe are SSBNs.

[AerialPerspective]

Originally Posted by tartare

I agree.
Ideal jet for Australia.
And both platforms are special weapons capable.
Which Hugh White says needs to be part of the discussion - his report is very interesting reading.
The Australian public is hopelessly naive in my view - I am in favour of a full nuclear deterrent.

I'll look for that Hugh White article. We should have upgraded the F-111 with supercruising engines - an asset tossed away because of politics. As for the B21, of course the yanks may refuse to sell it but it seems a bit incongruous as they'd be saying "You're our closest ally and we trust you with hour leading edge sub technology but not the aeroplane". We'd probably only need 12.

[rattman]

Originally Posted by AerialPerspective

I'll look for that Hugh White article. We should have upgraded the F-111 with supercruising engines - an asset tossed away because of politics. As for the B21, of course the yanks may refuse to sell it but it seems a bit incongruous as they'd be saying "You're our closest ally and we trust you with hour leading edge sub technology but not the aeroplane". We'd probably only need 12.

assuming if he was to announce it, its a given that it that they would expect to get. I personally doubt congress would allow it to be exported. I have heard there is going to be an aviation announcment but it said V-22's to replace MRH-90

[tartare]

Crikey - if they're trusting us with reactors etc. and the JSF - then the new jet isn't much of a step further.
And personally - I'd be holding out for the V-280 rather than the Osprey.
That thing is going to be a fantastic aircraft.

[henra]

Originally Posted by recceguy

Therefore WE, and not you, will decide when it's over.

Who is 'We'?

[henra]

Originally Posted by tartare

Crikey - if they're trusting us with reactors etc. and the JSF - then the new jet isn't much of a step further.

Well, it's a strategic Bomber. So far only Russia and the US have strategic Bombers. And this one is a VLO Strategic Bomber. So far only the US has such toys.

[Guptar]

Should we be thinking of some new platforms for the RAAF.

Example: F15EX replacing Super Hornet.

Does the single engine, short range F-35 cut it in the theatre of long range projection.