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Was he Correct in Speaking Out.

Old 1st Sep 2021, 11:21
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Originally Posted by GlobalNav View Post

This major did no real service to any cause by asking for accountability of senior leaders. I don’t necessarily disagree with his points, but they are not for public expression by an American military officer. He got something off his chest, that’s all and if he is dismissed from service or resigns, it’s an appropriate outcome.
Has he been demoted already? Last I saw he was a Lt. Col........
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212man.....he shall not be demoted.....he shall be disharged....sans pension,. He will overnight go from LtCol of Marines to Civilian....no job, no retirement, no health insurance....nothing but the reputation of having done what he did.

Unless....and that is an infinitively small chance....the powers that he called to take responsibility decide to chastise him for how he said what he said and merely write him a Letter of Reprimand that ensures he remains a LtCol till he retires in three years.

Absolutely his career is at an end....the manner of its ending has not been decided yet.,,or at least has not been announced.

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Old 1st Sep 2021, 14:00
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
212man.....he shall not be demoted.....he shall be disharged....sans pension,. (... snip a bit...)
Absolutely his career is at an end....the manner of its ending has not been decided yet.,,or at least has not been announced.
Commissioned officers, as the old saying goes, "serve at the pleasure of the President." (Technically true as the military is part of the executive branch of government). If he has in fact offered his resignation, it will still take some months for that process to run its course. If he has not offered his letter of resignation yet, and has been relieved of command, the USMC has an LTC at large eligible for a few postings (temporary jobs that are not desirable) until his disposition is finalized.

If, on the other hand, he is formally charged with a UCMJ violation, that proceeding might take a long time.
IIRC, a rarely used form of discipline for officers was Admiral's Mast in the Navy - I am pretty sure that the Marines have a similar Article 15 process as an option by the general officer who holds court martial authority for that command. His chain of command has resort to (beyond relief for cause, a standard cause these days being "loss of confidence" ) some disciplinary measures if they believe that he engaged in conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline. Keeping an eye open for that.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 14:52
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 14:59
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Wow

Do you think it would be prudent to place the guy on suicide watch?!

He has gone pretty nuclear.

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Old 1st Sep 2021, 15:23
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Do you think it would be prudent to place the guy on suicide watch?!

He has gone pretty nuclear.

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Bob, are you worried he might go 'full-Epstein' suicidal?

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Old 1st Sep 2021, 15:54
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To answer the original question, 'What has he achieved'.

From what I can see, nothing...unless of course he will use the brew-ha-ha to take on some sort of political career.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 17:10
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I’m worried that he is throwing away all of his life’s work and future financial security on a hissy fit.

Unless he knows he has a winning lottery ticket or similar windfall coming he seems awfully keen to throw away his meal ticket.

Maybe there are other things going on in his private life.

I obviously don’t know any of the facts but his behaviour is worrying.

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Old 1st Sep 2021, 20:38
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
I’m worried that he is throwing away all of his life’s work and future financial security on a hissy fit.
Hence my above remarks elsewhere on "did you talk to your wife about this first?"

My friend, take a look at paragraph 3. That's some seriously loaded language.
""A lack of trust and confidence in your ability to lead"" is being directed at SecNav.

This is his decision to make, not yours or mine.

Not sure it's the best way to do this, but I have an idea that this LTC may become the new Specialist Michael New.
I have, in my own cynical view on life, a suspicion that a variety of political sorts will use his personal protest for their own political ends just as the "we are not here to serve the UN, we are here to serve the US" line was taken by certain political cadre in the early 90's when the nation building efforts of the Clinton Administration was being argued about after the Somalia mess.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 22:53
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Just got this from a retired Marine friend: looks like he is going All In, to put it in poker terms.


I am now believing that there's more to this than one guy with a facebork account: I suspect he already has some political backers.
​​​​​​​So did Michael New.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 05:24
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I have never served and not sure about whether or not to comment.
Joe public looking from the outside.
But I have read a lot of history.
One thing is quite clear. The military is only useful if its Commanders are confident that when the time comes Senior Officers will follow orders. Period
History is littered with examples of incompetent political leadership leading the military into impossible situations.
But Battalion level Officers are not policy makers. Follow the chain of Command. Or you are on a hiding to nothing.
I would recommend Alan Brookes diaries on WW2 to anyone who thinks this hasn’t happened before.
What is equally clear to me as an Australian who remembers our shameful behaviour after the Vietnam war is respect your veterans.
We put them in harms way.
Hold them close and never let what happened after 1975 happen again.
Semper Fi.

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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 05:25
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I’ll look forward to reading his forthcoming (my assumption) tell all book.

NYT best seller if he gets it out before everyone forgets who he is.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 06:22
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Originally Posted by XXmet View Post

No excuse for Disloyalty.

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Thankyou COL Jessep.
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Old 2nd Sep 2021, 21:01
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Originally Posted by XXmet View Post
LTC Stupid is just that, stupid. If it turns out that he had a breakdown, maybe they will give him a medical. Otherwise. SEE YA!
Did you see the post attachment that included his letter of resignation? (Airbubba posted it)
Not seeing a Section 8 in his future. And he appears to be heading out the door depending on how the chain of command reacts to this.

@WestCoast: Not gonna bet against you. Nope.
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Old 4th Sep 2021, 11:35
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During Vietnam the Army decided to use a powerful gunpowder not suited for 5.56 ammunition in the M16 rifle against the manufacturer's emphatic warnings not too. The brass cartridge would expand too much and seize inside the rifle's chamber, jamming the rifle. In the field, the problem became apparent immediately, so the Army began quietly correcting it, albeit after already shipping tons of the faulty ammunition to Vietnam with the new M16 rifles meant to replace the M14 rifle.

Strangely, the Marine Colonels and Generals did nothing. They just chastised Marine grunts for “not cleaning their rifles enough”. Stranger still, because even though there was supposed to be a cleaning rod and kit inside the butt of the M16, only one in four had one. Hundreds of Marines died because of this. Entire companies were decimated in firefights with the communists circa 1966/67/68. Dozens of Marines were found dead with a cleaning rod in the barrel of their rifles trying to knock out the jammed spent cartridge, shot by the enemy. A torrent of letters from troops in Vietnam, and, from families at home, begging for help reached Washington. Marine command specifically doubled down on their stupid lack of “cleaning” excuse.

Missouri Congressman Richard Howard Ichord Jr., formed an investigative committee to find the facts. The story was published by Atlantic magazine in1981.

Atlantic Magazine article 1981-

M-16: A Bureaucratic Horror Story, By James Fallows


So I fully understand this LT Colonel's concerns. There is precedent.

Unfortunately he decided to take the political partisan rout, saying; “every generation needs a revolution”. This is a common partisan media mantra along the lines of the January 6th craziness in our capital building.

No, every generation DOES NOT need a revolution. The United States DOES NOT need instability. We just need our political leaders to stop the partisan craziness because it is obviously effecting our military Officer Corp!
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Old 9th Sep 2021, 21:43
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Originally Posted by XXmet View Post
During Vietnam the Army decided to use a powerful gunpowder not suited for 5.56 ammunition in the M16 rifle against the manufacturer's emphatic warnings not too. The brass cartridge would expand too much and seize inside the rifle's chamber, jamming the rifle. In the field, the problem became apparent immediately, so the Army began quietly correcting it, albeit after already shipping tons of the faulty ammunition to Vietnam with the new M16 rifles meant to replace the M14 rifle.

Strangely, the Marine Colonels and Generals did nothing. They just chastised Marine grunts for “not cleaning their rifles enough”. Stranger still, because even though there was supposed to be a cleaning rod and kit inside the butt of the M16, only one in four had one. Hundreds of Marines died because of this. Entire companies were decimated in firefights with the communists circa 1966/67/68. Dozens of Marines were found dead with a cleaning rod in the barrel of their rifles trying to knock out the jammed spent cartridge, shot by the enemy. A torrent of letters from troops in Vietnam, and, from families at home, begging for help reached Washington. Marine command specifically doubled down on their stupid lack of “cleaning” excuse.

Missouri Congressman Richard Howard Ichord Jr., formed an investigative committee to find the facts. The story was published by Atlantic magazine in1981.

Atlantic Magazine article 1981-

M-16: A Bureaucratic Horror Story, By James Fallows


So I fully understand this LT Colonel's concerns. There is precedent.

Unfortunately he decided to take the political partisan rout, saying; “every generation needs a revolution”. This is a common partisan media mantra along the lines of the January 6th craziness in our capital building.

No, every generation DOES NOT need a revolution. The United States DOES NOT need instability. We just need our political leaders to stop the partisan craziness because it is obviously effecting our military Officer Corp!

A bit late on the instability issue?
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 22:39
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Just heard on the radio that Lt. Colonel Scheller has been arrested and thrown into the brig. I don't understand - I thought he'd resigned - how can he now be thrown in the brig if he's resigned from the military?

Meanwhile, General Milley - who may well have committed treason when he had unauthorized communications with his Chinese counterpart while Trump was his Commander in Chief - just threw Biden under the bus with his congressional testimony today.

Just when I think my confidence in our leaders couldn't get any lower...
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 23:24
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Just heard on the radio that Lt. Colonel Scheller has been arrested and thrown into the brig. I don't understand - I thought he'd resigned - how can he now be thrown in the brig if he's resigned from the military?

Meanwhile, General Milley - who may well have committed treason when he had unauthorized communications with his Chinese counterpart while Trump was his Commander in Chief - just threw Biden under the bus with his congressional testimony today.

Just when I think my confidence in our leaders couldn't get any lower...
Unless the american military is drastically different from pretty much every other military in the world you cant just resign and walk away when it suits you
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 00:32
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From Facebook:



Fear cannot exist in the pursuit of love and truth. I believe in love. I believe in America. I believe in strength. I believe in honesty. I believe I am ready to go to jail based on these beliefs.

First you pulled the chain of retirement. I broke that chain. Then you pulled the chain of family stability. That chain also broke. All you have left is the threat of Court Martial. “It’s a felony Stu. No one wants that. It will ruin your whole life.” But you never understood me. I’m comfortable going back to Cincinnati and working at Applebees again. Do you want freedom fries with that?

“Effective immediately upon your receipt below, you are hereby ordered to refrain from posting any and all material, in any form without exception, to any social media. In this context, the term 'social media' shall be construed very broadly to include any medium by which you may share information with groups of people. It includes more traditional forms of social media (e.g., Facebook, Youtube, LinkedIn) as well nontraditional methods one might use to circumvent established social media (e.g., mass emails, group text messages, electronic bulleting boards). You are also prohibited from communicating through third parties or proxies.” What happens when you communicate an order that stipulates you to stop communicating? Remember… I have only spoken truth.

Another truth… WE don’t want our children abused in the same failed systems. The systems remain, despite their repeated failures, because key holding hypocrites have safe haven within the system. “Why not just get out and say that Stu? Why not stay quiet and work within the system?” WE say this to you… if you are making a difference on your current path… why is the Republic in decline? The Apathetic American convinces himself to apply pressure in other ways only because he can’t see the invisible chains. The keyholders refuse to take accountability when it is so obvious. They are unable or unwilling to do what is right. But WE are not like the Apathetic American. WE have faith. WE believe what you stand for can only be defined by what you’re willing to risk.

They need US scared. They need US silenced. They need US divided. Fear, division, and ignorance facilitates control. WE the people are not republican/democrat, black/white, straight/gay, christian/atheist, mask/nomask, police/community, wallstreet/mainstreet… so on and so on. We are Americans. Adjectives are not required. Don’t dim your light to walk into their darkness. Walk into their darkness and light shit up.

President Trump. I was told by everyone to kiss the ring because of your following and power. I refuse. While I respect your foreign policy positions, I hate how you divided the country. I don’t need or want your help. You do not have the ability to pull US together. You may even win the next election. But your generation’s time is running out. Tell your son to stop tweeting about me. Your whole family knows nothing about US or our sacrifices. I could never work with you. I’d rather sit in jail and be released with a dishonorable than make compromises in my beliefs.

President Obama. Great at speeches… obviously weak in any intestinal fortitude. President Bush Jr. great at speeches… obviously ignorant in thinking he could import democracy. President Clinton. Great at bringing Congress together… obviously morally bankrupt. This includes his wife.

General Mattis. The warrior monk. We all know you became a monk because you are gay. To be clear, my generation don’t care about sexuality. We are better than that. But our generation does care about honesty. You brought to my Infantry Officer Course 1-06 what can only be described as a female prop. It was uncomfortable for all of us. As soon as you left, we all knew you were a liar. We were young, but not stupid. Back then Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was still a policy. We understood why you lied. But as the policy was rescinded, and we continued to hear the rumors, it bothered us that you kept up the lie. You weren’t a monk. You were dishonest. And for all your talk about the 5-3-5 and counter-insurgency… can we go back and review the record? The academics loved you. You talked about reading books all the time. The only problem… you didn’t win any wars. Maybe you should have read different books.

General Petraeus. The counter-insurgency genius. We all know you went to Yale. We all know that you walked around the wars without PPE. But what if you used that education to offer insight on the ineffective nature of counter insurgency? You led Iraq and Afghanistan because you were such an influential leader. However, history demonstrated you didn’t have the insight of George Bush Sr. who knew when to pull out of a military campaign once the objectives were achieved. History somehow forgot George Bush Sr.’s genius. If you were half as smart as him, you would have recommended an efficient withdraw much sooner than the long wars you promoted. But that would have marginalized the theory of your genius. And without your celebrity… there are no adulterous escapades.

General Flynn. You gave interviews about me. Pretending to understand me. You are the same as the rest. You were caught in a lie. My generation is sick of your lies. We are not the same. Stop speaking my name as if you understand me. You could never understand US.

PHDs teaching at military academies. Bill Lind just wrote an article about my moral courage titled The View from Olympus: The Scheller Affair and Moral Courage. Let me be clear Mr. Lind, despite your contributions to the Marine Corps, you could never understand me. And my contempt for the academics who have attached themselves to the military machine runs deep. I will never relate to a person who refused to fight in the arena, yet feels entitled enough to offer opinions as if the lions should listen. Critics. Mr. Lind… General Berger’s opinion matters more than yours, despite your condescending opinion towards him. Please let all the PHDs in the military education system know the same. And tell General Gray to get off the MCU stage. He had his turn. Maneuver Warfare is outdated. It’s not attrition vs. maneuver. It’s decentralization vs. synchronization. And the critical question of where that balance occurs is the question you failed to address in the current version of MCDP 1. Marines all think decentralization should occur at the lowest levels despite a deeper understanding of how to maximize combat power. But I’m sure your generation of deep thinkers knew that…

To General Alford adjudicating my legal situation. When I briefed you in July you said, “We have an entire generation of LtCols who don’t know how to make decisions. They feel the need to ask permission.” Ask Tom and Sung, they were there. My generation is sick of being bullied. Maybe my generation knows a little bit more than you think. We’ve watched you play politics for 20 years. You thought we were too stupid to learn?

General Donovan, thanks for finishing my fitrep multiple months late as soon as I hit the news. Is it safe to assume you processed the report when I hit the news so that you didn’t look bad? It’s about your optics, it’s never been about US. But if your angry about me speaking the truth, send your Regimental Commander to come find me again. You could have him repeat, “If you interrupt me again, I’m going to fillet you. I will cut you in half.” “I’m going to work you like a slave. I’m going to work you like a dog. I’m going to work your dick into the dirt.” Ask Lobo… he was there for some of it.

Task and Purpose, despite your factually incorrect article about my legal right to prefer charges on General McKenzie (which still has been denied by the same people trying to hold me accountable… even after the news of the drone strike), you don’t understand me. I do plan to bring the whole system down. Yes, Task and Purpose, I am brave enough to say it again. What say you now?

What happens when all you do is speak truth and no one wants to hear it. But they can probably stop listening because… I’m crazy… right?

Col Emmel please have the MPs waiting for me at 0800 on Monday. I’m ready for jail.

VR/ US
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 17:56
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The LTC is in pre trial confinement. Article 32 investigation is proceeding.
A concise treatment
Details at the link are sufficient for anyone familiar with UCMJ.
No surprise, really.
(a) A lot of politicians get annoyed as hell if commissioned officers cross that line into politics, which we ain't supposed to do.
(b) Plenty of senior military take a dim view of crossing that line.
(c) Which makes me wonder: is he purposely trying to become some sort of martyr?
(Ref to Airbubba's post)
We'll see.
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