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Chinese sabre rattling against Japan

Old 20th Jul 2021, 12:12
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Chinese sabre rattling against Japan

And UK response

China doesn't scare us! Furious UK fires back after Beijing's nuke threat to Japan (msn.com)
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 16:26
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Just going to push the Japanese into a nuclear weapon programme.....................
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 23:59
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The communist regime in China are like the Nazis in the 1930s, and are spoiling for a war, and their aims are the same as Hitler's, world domination. The Third World War is coming.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 04:49
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The communist regime in China are like the Nazis in the 1930s, and are spoiling for a war, and their aims are the same as Hitler's, world domination. The Third World War is coming.
Sadly I agree; the PRC is spoiling for a conflict so it can prove it is a world superpower. At this point it is creating several hot spots; inevitably one at least will catch fire.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 06:27
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There is a lot of history behind this but from a Chinese viewpoint Taiwan is their territory. It would be a bit like if someone was threatening to invade Hawaii. You can agree or disagree with this but this is the Chinese viewpoint. I'm sure China's prime goal is not to obtain world domination but it is essentially a consequence of the path they are on which is unfortunately a threat to other world powers. In recent history China has been invaded by various foreign powers and consequently their stated goal is to get into a strong position where their military can defend themselves if there is another attempt. The threatening statement from Japan probably hit a raw nerve. The latest brutal invasion by Japan in the early 20th century is a relatively recent event in Chinese history. I'm not saying I disagree or agree with any of this. A better understanding of any bad situation helps to reduce the emotion rhetoric around it. Lets face it, its not on the business plan of media outlet to reduce rhetoric around such issues.
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Below the line this helps Japan to arm up with anything required to counter this threat. The west should support this.
Not sure if those propaganda guys were smart enough to think ahead this far.

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Old 21st Jul 2021, 07:21
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The difference between Crimea and Taiwan is that perhaps 40% of the Crimean population welcomed a Russian take-over. At present an overwhelming majority of the population of Taiwan clearly does not welcome Chinese aggression or interference in their affairs.

PS @Cool Guys, “threatening statement from… Japan”!?
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 07:54
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I don't tihnk the Chinese want a fight - they have a lot to lose

But they want to be recognised as the major player in the region

As for Taiwan most countries adopt the One country , Two systems formula and hope it will all go away
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China would treat Taiwan like it has Hong Kong.

See how well that is going. They haven't even started there yet............

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Old 21st Jul 2021, 10:28
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I think that you are confusing One Country, Two Systems with the One-China Policy: the former is a policy originally devised by Deng Xiaoping in respect of the governance of Hong Kong, Macau and, he hoped ultimately, Taiwan; the latter is an agreement devised by the US and China so that they could agree to disagree.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 20:45
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Originally Posted by Cool Guys View Post
It would be a bit like if someone was threatening to invade Hawaii.
Check what happened around 1893-7?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 08:16
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"Asturias 56
I think that you are confusing One Country, Two Systems with the One-China Policy: the former is a policy originally devised by Deng Xiaoping in respect of the governance of Hong Kong, Macau and, he hoped ultimately, Taiwan; the latter is an agreement devised by the US and China so that they could agree to disagree."

yes - I know that there is a difference but Deng's policy also made it easier to envisage the eventual absorption over time of Taiwan. Xi isn't in the same league as a thinker - he wants to be up there with his own "thought" and all the trappings. . Deng was quite happy to list "Secretary of the Peking Bridge Club" near the top of his list of positions of power held.
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Originally Posted by Thaihawk View Post
The communist regime in China are like the Nazis in the 1930s, and are spoiling for a war, and their aims are the same as Hitler's, world domination. The Third World War is coming.
yes. I believe so. Over the next 5-10 years. We need to build up now. Stop trading with China and push against them now. But politicians are far too interested in their 5 year terms to worry about WW3.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 14:36
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" Stop trading with China "

there goes your telecoms kit...................
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 16:01
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Originally Posted by Cool Guys View Post
There is a lot of history behind this but from a Chinese viewpoint Taiwan is their territory. It would be a bit like if someone was threatening to invade Hawaii. You can agree or disagree with this but this is the Chinese viewpoint. I'm sure China's prime goal is not to obtain world domination but it is essentially a consequence of the path they are on which is unfortunately a threat to other world powers. In recent history China has been invaded by various foreign powers and consequently their stated goal is to get into a strong position where their military can defend themselves if there is another attempt. The threatening statement from Japan probably hit a raw nerve. The latest brutal invasion by Japan in the early 20th century is a relatively recent event in Chinese history. I'm not saying I disagree or agree with any of this. A better understanding of any bad situation helps to reduce the emotion rhetoric around it. Lets face it, its not on the business plan of media outlet to reduce rhetoric around such issues.
very well said Cool Guy ! .....I despise the Chinese regime for their general philosophy on controlling their citizens, and I would never live in a country like that. But it’s an excellent thing to have balance in this world, you don’t want to have a western world who has complete dominance. History has shown that over the centuries. A powerful China and Russia is actually the best for world peace. Plus, there are people who have different view on life in general, and prefer socialist systems, which has its own perks. Also, when it comes to Japan, they should shut the f...k up for what they did to China in WWII. Actually I Find that China showed a lot of restraint when it comes to these guys given their historical background. As for Taiwan, nothing against them in particular, but it’s a puppet state......invented by the west to piss off China.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 16:47
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As for Taiwan, nothing against them in particular, but itís a puppet state......invented by the west to piss off China.
Utter tripe!

When I was in TPE around the time of HKG being handed back, there was a groundswell for reunification. Chinas actions have totally eroded that.
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 00:46
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Stockpile

China had better lighten up on the sabre rattling:
According to the AP, "Japan now has 45.5 tons of separated plutonium ó 8.9 tons at home, and 36.6 tons in Britain and France, where spent fuel from Japanese nuclear plants has been reprocessed and stored because Japan lacks a plant to produce MOX [mixed-oxide] fuel containing plutonium at home. The amount is enough to make about 6,000 atomic bombs."
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How hard would it be to spot a cache of nukes hiding behind all those Fukushima leaks ?
All War is deception .
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