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All Hawk T1s will be gone by 31 March 2022

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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 11:02
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It appears to be BAE Systems Hawk Mk 167 ZB132 belonging to Qatar Emiri Air Force based at Leeming

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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 11:18
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Originally Posted by WB627
It appears to be BAE Systems Hawk Mk 167 ZB132 belonging to Qatar Emiri Air Force based at Leeming
Yes, six of the nine have been delivered now. Had they gone to the QEAF directly they would be in desert camouflage, under MoD authorisation in the UK they are in RAF Training Black, and look identical to the Valley T2s unless you are close enough to see the insignia.
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Old 25th Apr 2022, 11:16
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test1234,

Please enlighten us. What is the engineering issue with the Valley Hawks?
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Old 25th Apr 2022, 13:34
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Seven currently airborne, 5 from Valley and 2 from Leeming.
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Old 20th May 2022, 11:09
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Some very interesting lines from General Nahom, deputy chief of staff for plans and programs, on May 17, 2022 at the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee.

“What we’re finding now though is these contracts aren’t very effective at Nellis in that high-end training environment.”

“……that contract, what they’re providing is not meeting what we need.”

He specifically means A-4, L-159, and Mirage F1.
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Old 20th May 2022, 13:38
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Living in the Yorkshire wolds Thursdays was always good for watching 100 Sqn doing their army cooperation stuff. I didn’t expect to see any more however this Thursday a black painted hawk was up there doing the usual training. The only difference was that this one had a long extended nose, is this a mk2 or something different?
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Old 20th May 2022, 15:34
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That will be one of the Mk.167 Qatari Hawks as described above. There are generally 3-5 flight per day out of Leeming from (currently) 7 aeroplanes based there.
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Old 20th May 2022, 20:06
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Originally Posted by teeonefixer
That will be one of the Mk.167 Qatari Hawks as described above. There are generally 3-5 flight per day out of Leeming from (currently) 7 aeroplanes based there.
are ex 100sqn aircrew flying them?
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Old 20th May 2022, 23:03
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Originally Posted by Foghorn Leghorn
What’s happening with the Red Air contract, it’s all gone particularly quiet? 100 Sqn Sqn have already folded.
Pair of Draken International L-159 touched down at DTV last week or earlier this week from Orlando so imagine DE taking on the reins left by 100??

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Old 20th May 2022, 23:13
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And a couple of Top Aces Alpha Jets arrived Thursday!
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Originally Posted by chopper2004
Pair of Draken International L-159 touched down at DTV last week or earlier this week from Orlando so imagine DE taking on the reins left by 100??

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I saw those those pictures, those jets look fantastic and must add a great capability to train against.
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Originally Posted by teeonefixer
And a couple of Top Aces Alpha Jets arrived Thursday!
Now that’s interesting, what are they doing? I thought Top Aces weren’t allowed to operate out of the UK due to a variety of regulatory reasons.
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Old 21st May 2022, 07:37
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Most likely to support JFACTSU given that their subsidiary, Blue Air Training, have been awarded a single source contract to deliver JTAC training by Air Commercial without competition. Most of it will be undertaken in the US on Razorback Range which is part of Fort Chaffee MTC. Don't be surprised if a pair of Alpha Jets are stationed permanently at Leeming in the future given they have DACAS, pod integration, and have the ability to provide hot drop.

As for regulatory concerns, I'd trust Transport Canada oversight a lot more than the UK CAA!
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Old 21st May 2022, 07:51
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Originally Posted by DuckDodgers
Most likely to support JFACTSU given that their subsidiary, Blue Air Training, have been awarded a single source contract to deliver JTAC training by Air Commercial without competition. Most of it will be undertaken in the US on Razorback Range which is part of Fort Chaffee MTC. Don't be surprised if a pair of Alpha Jets are stationed permanently at Leeming in the future given they have DACAS, pod integration, and have the ability to provide hot drop.

As for regulatory concerns, I'd trust Transport Canada oversight a lot more than the UK CAA!
Not so, I’m fairly certain Top Aces cannot operate long term out of the UK due to, as I mentioned, CAA regulatory reasons.
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Originally Posted by Foghorn Leghorn
Not so, I’m fairly certain Top Aces cannot operate long term out of the UK due to, as I mentioned, CAA regulatory reasons.
As an organisation I’m sure they’ll navigate this concern as they have in Continental Europe. Or they’ll just be smart and operate under MAA purview for any enduring U.K. contract.
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Originally Posted by DuckDodgers
Most likely to support JFACTSU given that their subsidiary, Blue Air Training, have been awarded a single source contract to deliver JTAC training by Air Commercial without competition. Most of it will be undertaken in the US on Razorback Range which is part of Fort Chaffee MTC. Don't be surprised if a pair of Alpha Jets are stationed permanently at Leeming in the future given they have DACAS, pod integration, and have the ability to provide hot drop.

As for regulatory concerns, I'd trust Transport Canada oversight a lot more than the UK CAA!
What's the point of being able to 'Hot Drop'? I presume this is 3Kg at say Donna Nook, rather than big bangs at Garvie?
Seems a pointless left over from the 80s?
Perhaps strafe might be more relevant?
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Old 21st May 2022, 15:51
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Originally Posted by typerated
What's the point of being able to 'Hot Drop'? I presume this is 3Kg at say Donna Nook, rather than big bangs at Garvie?
Seems a pointless left over from the 80s?
Perhaps strafe might be more relevant?
ELGTR. Although if you want to meet the JTAC currency and training requirement it matters not as a bang (regardless of size) is irrelevant.
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Old 21st May 2022, 17:04
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ELGTR. Although if you want to meet the JTAC currency and training requirement it matters not as a bang (regardless of size) is irrelevant.
I should think a quick policy change and rewrite of the rules will sort this. Make the initial qual hot at a range in America and then subsequent re-quals in a simulator with sufficient fidelity would be significantly cheaper and more flexible than purchasing, supporting ELGTR and contracting a civilian aircraft to use EGLTR.

Just my opinion, based on nothing else - other than the leadership love a good sim….
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Originally Posted by Foghorn Leghorn
I should think a quick policy change and rewrite of the rules will sort this. Make the initial qual hot at a range in America and then subsequent re-quals in a simulator with sufficient fidelity would be significantly cheaper and more flexible than purchasing, supporting ELGTR and contracting a civilian aircraft to use EGLTR.

Just my opinion, based on nothing else - other than the leadership love a good sim….
Not overly onerous qualifying it nor supporting it, especially if DIO and SO2 Ranges (or whatever they’re called these days) leaned in, even more so if appropriate ballistic tables and data were available.

Better getter the USMC to agree a policy change to the JCAS MOA.
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Originally Posted by Foghorn Leghorn
I saw those those pictures, those jets look fantastic and must add a great capability to train against.
From Aviation Week , May 17 2022 ;
The U.S. Air Force has decided to not renew an ongoing contract with Draken International for adversary air training at Nellis AFB because it has determined the contractor’s jets can no longer provide the effective training it needs.

Since 2015, Draken has flown “enemy aircraft” for high-end training events at the Nevada Test and Training Range, in exercises such as Red Flag, and for the U.S. Air Force Weapons School. In 2018, the company received another $280 million to continue that training and the contract expires this summer. The service decided to not renew the contract and Draken has posted notices that it will lay off employees in Nevada as the contract expires.

While “red air” companies such as Draken “do wonderful work for the Air Force, especially at our formal training units...where we train basic fighter pilots how to fly,” they aren’t effective against jets like F-22s or F-35s, Lt. Gen. David Nahom, the service’s deputy chief of staff for plans and programs, told the Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee on May 17.

Draken’s fleet includes aircraft such as A-4 Skyhawks, L-159As, Dassault Mirage F1s, MiG-21bis, and Atlas Cheetahs. The company also has begun buying F-16s. The contracted jets fly about 65% of the adversary flight hours, Sen. Jacky Rosen (D-Nev) said, adding that letting the contract expire will leave a gap for training at the Nevada range.
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