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Red Arrows are safe after Ministry of Defence plans to retire entire fleet of 76 Hawk

Old 24th Mar 2021, 18:51
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The Reds flew their first 9 ship formation today, look forward to seeing them flying over Lincolnshire for many more years to come!!
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 18:54
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man View Post
I thought one of the main points of the Red Arrows was to showcase British industry to the world and to drum up exports. Not sure what message it sends flying an aircraft that the RAF has binned.
Don't the Blue Angels use bog standard Hornets instead of Super Hornets?

Not an argument in favour, merely an observation.
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 18:55
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Does this include the Boscombe Down based aircraft, RAFCAM/ETPS?
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 18:59
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Originally Posted by Capn Bug Smasher View Post
Don't the Blue Angels use bog standard Hornets instead of Super Hornets?
No, they converted to the newer jet.



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Old 24th Mar 2021, 19:04
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Originally Posted by Capn Bug Smasher View Post
Don't the Blue Angels use bog standard Hornets instead of Super Hornets?

Not an argument in favour, merely an observation.
Not anymore, they're switching to Super Hornets this year.
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 19:08
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Originally Posted by Boeing Jet View Post
The Reds flew their first 9 ship formation today, look forward to seeing them flying over Lincolnshire for many more years to come!!
Well I'm glad that you do, but if you live within a 10 mile radius of Scampton, for the past 2 years they have been a total pain in the rear. Roll on when they can go to Cyprus or Greece for their spring work up and give everyone a break.
Yes, I was here before they were and, yes, I did do 22 years on the much noisier V force.
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 19:19
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Well there will be a few Tranche 1 Typhoons available to replace them in a couple of years.....
Was wondering that myself...is it a serious possibility? Would the extra hourly cost be outweighed by the benefit of not maintaining an additional type? (They could always lock off the afterburners to save fuel!)
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 19:52
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Chances of the Tranche 1 Typhoons going to the Reds........

Which part of retired by 2025, along with the Hawk T.1s did you miss. Still you could always sweep round a few scrappies for the remnants of the Tranche 1 Twins seaters. or the 3 used for GIAs and as for the Tranche 2s. If you Borrow the jet Warton use, you can make a 6 ship.

Anyway I thought the Reds having taken a lot of newer ex TWU airframes on means they have had the replacement wings, fuselage behind the cockpit and triggers broom adaptions
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 19:55
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Originally Posted by Boeing Jet View Post
The Reds flew their first 9 ship formation today, look forward to seeing them flying over Lincolnshire for many more years to come!!
They’ve dragged that out then! I heard the only new member was the one at the very front, everyone else in the same position as last year!!
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 21:57
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Originally Posted by Out Of Trim View Post
Well, a T1A is not strictly a T1 is it? Then the Reds would still have some aircraft! ( It was just a tongue in cheek comment ). Not serious 🧐!
Don't do yourself down, I think this might actually be the answer to the confusion over the announcement. Aren't the Reds aircraft all T1As? So the T1s are being retired, the T1As aren't, and the stockpile of T1 spares will keep the latter going into the 2030s?
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 22:21
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Tranche 1s are going for 2 good reasons - lack of capability whilst also being very expensive to operate. If you canít afford to run them as a front line type, your definitely not going to use them for the Reds. Their fate will be the same as the Tr1 Tubs - the scrap heap! Sad but true.

I understand that the replacement airframe for the Reds has already been made, but not yet announced; this would tie in with the announcement that ALL Hawk T1s will be gone by 2025.
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 22:45
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The Canadian Snowbirds seem to have been doing ok as the sole remaining operator of the Canadair CT-114 Tutor since 2000....
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 23:56
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It’s a shame they didn’t bin the Reds at the same time, there might have been an uproar over the cuts in the media then.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 00:06
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So do you think they will now stand down 736 Naval Air Sqn and stand back up their predecessors FRADU and hand them their Hawks as a Civilian operation?
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 00:15
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Originally Posted by Capn Bug Smasher View Post
Don't the Blue Angels use bog standard Hornets instead of Super Hornets?

Not an argument in favour, merely an observation.

The Blues have transitioned to Super Hornets.

Why not give the Reds a dozen to be pensioned off Typhoons and represent the cutting edge and not the blunt side of the sword..?
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 00:34
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
2 seat Typhoons?
What, all six of them?.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 03:07
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The Canadian Snowbirds seem to have been doing ok as the sole remaining operator of the Canadair CT-114 Tutor since 2000....
Have they though? Really?

Remember the Snowbirds do not have an industry promotion remit.

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Old 25th Mar 2021, 07:36
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
So do you think they will now stand down 736 Naval Air Sqn and stand back up their predecessors FRADU and hand them their Hawks as a Civilian operation?
Decommissioning of 736 announced some months back and now imminent IIRC.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 07:50
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Itís a shame they didnít bin the Reds at the same time, there might have been an uproar over the cuts in the media then.
Which is why they won't get binned, as while they exist, Joe Public are oblivious to the ever shrinking RAF....because all they 'see' is the Reds.

The RAF could shrink to the size of the Irish Air Corps, and the Reds would likely still survive...!
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 09:15
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Originally Posted by Trumpet trousers View Post
The Canadian Snowbirds seem to have been doing ok as the sole remaining operator of the Canadair CT-114 Tutor since 2000....
Not for long, the RCAF is looking to replace its wider training force under the Canadian Future Aircrew Training Programme (FAcT). Contenders include Leonardo's M-345, which the company is also pitching as a Snowbirds replacement. Suggest whichever platform wins, it will be the new mount for the Snowbirds.
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