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Linton on Ouse : The end of an era

Old 3rd Mar 2021, 18:09
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I went to CFS (Basic) straight from an F4 tour. After the seemingly interminable 6-week ground school we went to do the JP convex with RFS at Church Fenton, as the waterfront was apparently a bit busy. I still vividly recall being told prior to trip #1 that I was not to abort as the aircraft would get airborne eventually. The crushing acceleration when I let the brakes off caused me to wonder about that instruction, but the QFI turned out to be right when the vibration from the runway eventually stopped. A minute or two later I was still in FJ mode and thought I should get busy, but in the absence of radar, rigging and pre-attack checks to do, I decided to try one of those FOEL things they had been banging on about. "Fuel - numbers haven't moved; Oxygen - not required for an hour or so; Engine - still making noise; Location - pretty much where we were when we took off" earned me a gentle rebuke for not taking things seriously.

I got my own back 20 mins later when I was chided for not flying an accurate FL50. I pointed out that I was flying a very accurate FL53, which I had told him was my datum height, and it was FL53 to avoid being hit by the duffers not looking out while they desperately tried to stay S&L at FL50. If he preferred, I would happily wind 10mb onto the altimeter to achieve the same effect. We discussed, I agreed to behave, and he admitted he had been given something else to think about.
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 20:22
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Wind on 10mb ? . . I thought it was “wind off mbs, wind off height” ?
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 18:56
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Please don't be rude about the JP3. It garnered speed, it accrued height, but it was sweet. In a clanky kind of way. ....any height, any speed as long as it's low.

Linton provided the 25 flypast in 77?

Linton enjoyed a 43 ship stream take off for AOC inspection day.

The bowling alley was in the loft above the accommodation of 1sqn

Night out in York or Sleaford?

We knew how to have fun
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 19:17
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Please don't be rude about the JP3.
Damned thing nearly killed me one day during my BFTS course, but my fault and ham fisted-ness. Stuffed up a stall turn, nose was too low to begin with, so tried to correct it at the point of the stall and presumably had some up elevator. It did something I hadn't seen before; it flicked in the vertical then fell out backwards into an inverted spin. Thankfully, I recognised it because I had previously seen one of those in a Cessna 152 some years before. However, having finally sorted it out (eventually recovered it but then it spun upright going the opposite way) and climbing I realised I'd gone considerably below minimum ejection height for the seat. Lost over 10,000 feet in the process. Having recovered my composure by flying straight and level for a while I RTB'd to Linton. On reporting it to my instructor, in so many words all he said was "Well don't effing well do that again!" Lesson learned!

However, I did later wonder if it was ALL down to me after John West (ex Harrier display pilot) was killed in a JP (actually a Strikemaster), in similar circumstances during a civvie demo flight to a potential buyer.

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Old 4th Mar 2021, 19:39
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Maybe fuel in the tips?

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Old 4th Mar 2021, 21:15
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Originally Posted by Wetstart Dryrun View Post
Maybe fuel in the tips?

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Possibly...I think not in my case though.
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 21:39
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Oh what fun it was at the back end of the '2' for the '25' flypast in '77! As we took off at the tail end of the 25-ship stream (I think, counting spares) the leader was already overhead Leeming, and turning back to the South-East. At least that allowed us to cut the corner to catch up! After that it was a case of 'riding the waves' as they came rippling down the echelon of the '2'.
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Old 4th Mar 2021, 22:06
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I was lucky enough as a student to fly in the “whipper in” aircraft for what (if my memory is correct) was the final practice formation flight for the “25”. Not much whipping in was needed.
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Old 5th Mar 2021, 22:34
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The great Jet Provost T Mk 3 a seen at RAF Linton on Ouse autumn 2004:






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Old 6th Mar 2021, 13:34
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Picture #1 above: That was my Quarter!

Picture #2 above: Pretty much the view out of our lounge window!

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Old 6th Mar 2021, 14:25
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Ah the JP Mk3.. Fumes in the cockpit drill, open the canopy....all the way and keep the speed below 140kts (if I remember correctly).... stick elbow out the side and then do one handed barrel roll (still below 140kts.) You couldn't do that in the JP Mk5!!
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Old 6th Mar 2021, 17:18
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Lightest ailerons of all JP/Strikeys....
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 13:33
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A question comes to mind.... Why didn't they rebuild the JP? Bearing in mind that the JP gave many years of stout service to the flying club, having been converted from a piston engined trainer, I'm thinking why didn't somebody at BWoS suggest a conversion to a sexy modern turbo prop ? Piston Provost becomes jet provost, becomes PT6 - Provost. What could possibly go wrong ?
We never needed Tucano. They could've done the rebuilds at an old shipyard in Belfast.

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Old 7th Mar 2021, 17:49
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why didn't somebody at BWoS suggest a conversion to a sexy modern turbo prop ?
From what I recall of the debate at the time, BWoS recruited a retired 2* to advise them. This man's genius extended to another side-by-side jet which, as modern engines were so much more efficient than the Viper, could be built to carry half the fuel and still do an hour airborne. Which is what they bid. Unsuccessfully.

The competition was initially won by the PC-9 until the politicians realised it hadn't been designed in Brazil, when suddenly the Tucano became much more attractive. The Belfast dockyard mateys did such a great job of building it they managed to prove the RAF policy of taking apart the first aircraft delivered was a good investment, because it allowed the customer time to complain about the build quality before they got sent too many more of them.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 17:59
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BWoS were pushing the PC9 to be built at Brough. We ended up with the TinCan because UK Govt wanted to show commitment to, and investment in, NI.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 19:10
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Always thought it a shame the Firecracker didn't get more of a look in and was dropped from the competition fairly early, anyone know why?
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 19:44
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Always thought it a shame the Firecracker didn't get more of a look in and was dropped from the competition fairly early, anyone know why?
It was too slow.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 20:21
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Oh yes, I see it was a bit of a laggard - T-34C was much the same, presume that's why it was eliminated early on too.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 21:15
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Have really enjoyed this thread - and seeing the pics in #191 had me scurrying for my logbook; only flew XN589 once, on 19 July 1977 (Ex 85, Nav 10, solo around LFA11 for 1h00m). I then retraced a search I did a few years ago to see if I could find the current location of the one I flew my first (ever) solo - XM412. I wonder if she really is still languishing behind a grotty barrier at Balado...

I've noted quite a few names from other posts (I was lucky enough to be a stude on 1 Sqn ); 14 Course were our senior Sqn-mates, while their predecessors (9 Course) were still around during our groundschool phase. I personally thought that 14 had the right attitude when it came to the "Sqn Mascot" provided by 9 - the Boa Constrictor. As soon as 9 were off the base, ISTR that the snake was donated to a local zoo while they kept the gerbils that had been bought as rations for Hissing Sid.

I never had a problem with the "stude for a pissy-little-job"/ "my names Den but you can call me Sir" attitude at Linton - reaching the dizzy heights of L/Cpl in the pongoes before transferring had inured me to all that. Not having flown anything other than a parachute before the JP, I did find it daunting comparing my progress with the crewroom 'aces' who'd had Flying Scholarships or been through UAS. I had a real problem with underconfidence - right up to the formation phase. When I saw what the 'aces' were actually like, I genuinely wondered if I was then just seeing them on a really bad set of days. My (A2) instructor, who eventually followed my path onto rotary, said it was a useful lesson then gave me a stern warning about veering from underconfident to cocky. I heeded his advice then, and always afterwards too - there were some really top-quality instructors at 1FTS, and I will always be grateful for the start they gave me to the best possible career.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 23:12
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Thud, the snake stayed on until 22 course. I’m certain about that because I was designated OIC, as the only person willing to handle it. It eventually went to Knaresborough zoo in my car and an aquarium came in its place (the latter was not of my doing). We were in a flight briefing next door when the bottom literally fell out of the new tank as it was being filled and water came under the wall!
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