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USMC Mid-Air - F-35/KC-130

Old 12th Oct 2020, 20:52
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If you listen to the news item, it says the rest of the crew bailed out and the Pilot and Co Pilot belly landed it into the field.

however, the shots on the ground, the ramp appears to be up and the rear para door on the port side is closed, so possibly they went out the stb side para door as you can’t see it, the front door I take is open due to the pilot egress.
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 07:26
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The front door can be jettisoned for use as an emergency parachute exit (just don't jump up as you leave).
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 17:52
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Considering they were in an emergency descent one would think the fwd exit was the last place you wanted to be stepping out of. Thanks for extending my knowledge of the Herc
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 19:07
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Like all `news`items ,it`s a bit like `Send 3 and 4 pence,we`re going to a dance`.....none of the Marine Corps statements mention that any of the Herk crew jumped at all.....
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 21:23
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I don't think the crew door is designed to be jettisoned in flight. It is designed for use on the ground if the fuselage is distorted and it can't be opened normally. It is impossible to believe that if it were jettisoned in flight it would miss No 2 prop. This is why the Crew Door light on the classic C130 or the Crew Door Warning on the C130J is treated so seriously.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 03:09
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Screaming holy shit I had a midair would also get everyone’s attention.

Feel free to dissect what many of the pedants here believe is a systemic training issue of declaring emergency vs mayday/pan, however on that day, the phraseology that was most common to both the flight crew and the controller was “declaring an emergency”
the issue comes when callsigns subsequently join the frequency and just hear a callsign being mentioned i.e. RAIDER50 vs MAYDAY RAIDER50.

It is the normal procedure for ATC and crews to append their callsign with mayday so that EVERYONE knows what is happening and can then minimise transmissions.

Either way, the crew got ATCs attention and walked away to tell the tale, that's the main point.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 10:10
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Originally Posted by WIDN62 View Post
I don't think the crew door is designed to be jettisoned in flight. It is designed for use on the ground if the fuselage is distorted and it can't be opened normally. It is impossible to believe that if it were jettisoned in flight it would miss No 2 prop. This is why the Crew Door light on the classic C130 or the Crew Door Warning on the C130J is treated so seriously.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 10:14
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IIRC we had lots of crew door warning light problems when we first got the 'K'. Eventually the 'solution' was to remove the 'door closed' microswitch and just have the 'door locked' system in operation. The meant that in theory you could turn the handle to the locked position but still have the crew door open. This would still put out the master warning light !
As for carriage of parachutes they were worn by the loadmaster on certain airdrops (back type) and carried on the tanker (clip on WW2 fashion). I have no recollection of crew parachute carrying in any other role on the 'K'.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 18:01
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Do we know with any certainty that part of the C130J crew bailed out rather than ride the aircraft down?
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 18:14
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Nope, we only have your press reports saying they did and if they’re anything like ours then I would take it all with a pinch of salt.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 07:51
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Just curious how many crew members the USMC C130 tanker would carry on a tanking sortie. As for baling out if anyone did, then my door of choice in the circumstances would be the port para door. This is based on the pics of the damage over on the starboard side. You would not know if bits were still flying past on that side. I am assuming that if the ramp and door are useable in the air in their tanker C130 (not an option on the RAF C130 tanker !) the descent speed may have precluded its use. But they would have still had to be slow enough and high enough to get a para door open and the jumpers out safely. Just my thoughts of course.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 08:33
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https://nbcpalmsprings.com/2020/10/1...ng-in-thermal/



The C-130 Military cargo plane has been moved to the Jacqueline Cochran Airport in Thermal. NBC Palm Springs viewer Steve Randall shared these photos with us.














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Old 26th Oct 2020, 23:00
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Originally Posted by heights good View Post
the issue comes when callsigns subsequently join the frequency and just hear a callsign being mentioned i.e. RAIDER50 vs MAYDAY RAIDER50.

It is the normal procedure for ATC and crews to append their callsign with mayday so that EVERYONE knows what is happening and can then minimise transmissions.

Either way, the crew got ATCs attention and walked away to tell the tale, that's the main point.

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Old 28th Oct 2020, 15:54
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More images, you can see the creasing of the front fuselage by the door and it looks like the prop warning markings are a couple of foot aft of the impact points.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ern-california
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 08:32
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NutLoose,
thanks for the link. I had not realised that the USMC tankers dispensed fuel with the ramp open ! I wonder what speed they operate at.
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 09:22
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
More images, you can see the creasing of the front fuselage by the door and it looks like the prop warning markings are a couple of foot aft of the impact points.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ern-california
Interesting 'tide line' on the fuselage, could be soot but I'm sure could equally be from foam or an irrigation sprinkler in the field.
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Old 29th Oct 2020, 13:08
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The KC-130J air-to-air refueling speed range is 100 knots to 270 knots.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 08:16
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A good speed range but IMHO the ramp and door would not be open at the upper limit. Perhaps the picture I saw was just a publicity shot without actual tanking taking place. If memory serves the RAF C130K tanker dispensed at 185 kts.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 11:45
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aa62, can`t find my little `blue-book` for tanking guidlines,but we`d always try to do it over 200 kts,assuming one was not too heavy...
Interesting to see that NP2000 props(8-bladed composites) are being retrofitted to other Herks in place of the metal paddles.
Interesting to read the investigation into the break-up of Bu.No 16500 over Mississippi,after a blade on #2 let go....!
Remind me of the `ramp and door `speed limits on our K` ,not tankers....another subject..
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 12:03
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Originally Posted by ancientaviator62 View Post
A good speed range but IMHO the ramp and door would not be open at the upper limit. Perhaps the picture I saw was just a publicity shot without actual tanking taking place. If memory serves the RAF C130K tanker dispensed at 185 kts.
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Remind me of the `ramp and door `speed limits on our K` ,not tankers....another subject..
It's been a while and I have too many types in my head:

150kts ramp and door (no HSR / shutters on a K)
170kts door only (no HSD or uprated actuator on a K)

I think...
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