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Old 12th May 2020, 14:02
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I think the general idea was for recent BA joiners from the military to have the option to rejoin the RAF for a short period of time to fill vacancies. I gather that there were further opportunities for non ex military to throw their hats in the ring too, pending testing,suitability, etc. Sounds like a win-win to me?
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Old 12th May 2020, 14:03
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How are they going to react if they are told to go somewhere and be shot at?
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Old 12th May 2020, 14:09
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Forget brize, might as well hold out for an F35 !
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Old 12th May 2020, 14:10
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[QUOTE]How are they going to react if they are told to go somewhere and be shot at?/QUOTE]

I should imagine that as adults,they have an idea that they are (re)joining the armed forces? What is the problem that certain people are having with the idea? That ex mil are rejoining for a short period, or that non military potentially have the opportunity to fill vacancies? After all, I can't imagine many Typhoon or F35 slots will be available for middle aged BA secondees.

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Old 12th May 2020, 14:47
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I heard through a BA buddy of mine BALPA are negotiating with the RAF the F35/Typhoon slots to the BA guys/girls <28 years old to entice them across as their current pay is significantly higher than what the RAF offer thus any future or current RAF trainees go multi engine/general officer duties. It would mean a short service commission though. I think if there’s any truth in it we as an industry should hang our heads in shame. Many of friend of mine worked their bollocks off to get in the pointy end of a fast jet not a fat end of a transporter.

Sad times

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Old 12th May 2020, 14:52
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I heard through a BA buddy of mine BALPA are negotiating with the RAF the F35/Typhoon slots to the BA guys/girls <28 years old to entice them across as their current pay is significantly higher than what the RAF offer thus any future or current RAF trainees go multi engine/general officer duties. It would mean a short service commission though. I think if there’s any truth in it we as an industry should hang our heads in shame. Many of friend of mine worked their bollocks off to get in the pointy not the fat end of a jet.
i wouldn’t believe all you hear from your buddy. List of potential slots is available and FJs aren’t amongst them.
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Old 12th May 2020, 14:56
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i wouldn’t believe all you hear from your buddy. List of potential slots is available and FJs aren’t amongst them.
Thats fair then, I would of thought the A330 slots would be a good fit for the programme.

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Old 12th May 2020, 14:56
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Originally Posted by Captain Spam Can View Post
I heard through a BA buddy of mine BALPA are negotiating with the RAF the F35/Typhoon slots to the BA guys/girls <28 years old to entice them across as their current pay is significantly higher than what the RAF offer thus any future or current RAF trainees go multi engine/general officer duties. It would mean a short service commission though. I think if thereís any truth in it we as an industry should hang our heads in shame. Many of friend of mine worked their bollocks off to get in the pointy not the fat end of a jet.

Sad times
I doubt you'll catch many with that bait
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Old 12th May 2020, 14:57
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Speaking as a current RAF FJ operator I can confirm that this is completely made up.

The problem the RAF currently has with manning is the inability to train aircrew. (Probably worthy of a whole different thread). The training system is running beyond capacity. Therefore unless a BA / VA etc secondee / rejoiner is at a standard to immediately start an Operational Conversion Unit or rejoin straight at the Front Line, then unfortunately I think the best they can hope for is an aviation related ground role.
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Old 12th May 2020, 15:14
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I don't think many BA people are looking at a (fictional) FJ slot, unless they've only just left the squadron and wouldn't mind going back. As the posters above mentioned, the 330 looks a good fit, but I understand there aren't any vacancies at the moment. Personally speaking, I would have thought it would be an opportunity for somebody that has had enough of flying and would like the challenge of a ground role. I also wonder how many BA people would struggle with SC and DV clearances with slightly out of the ordinary private lives, i.e non-residency for last 3 years and/or marriage to non UK citizens.
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Old 12th May 2020, 15:46
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As always, you join the military as an officer first and pilot second.
Do you actually believe that? That’s just what all the blunties at IOT tell all the (potential) aircrew isn’t it? 😂
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Old 12th May 2020, 15:56
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Originally Posted by Yellow Sun View Post
This has raised its head before, sometime in the 1970s IIRC. Nothing came of it then and; possibly apart from a small number of recent leavers; I would be surprised if anything came of it this time.
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Speaking as a current RAF FJ operator I can confirm that this is completely made up.

The problem the RAF currently has with manning is the inability to train aircrew. (Probably worthy of a whole different thread). The training system is running beyond capacity. Therefore unless a BA / VA etc secondee / rejoiner is at a standard to immediately start an Operational Conversion Unit or rejoin straight at the Front Line, then unfortunately I think the best they can hope for is an aviation related ground role.
Thatís pretty much what I said at post #8. I would also add that aviation related ground roles would probably only be open to those with some relevant service experience. The last time this sort of scheme was mooted It all fizzled out as just too difficult and of marginal benefit to the service anyway.

Reading the Sky News report, it appears clear that this is a BALPA\BACC initiative (as it was last time). The RAF will listen politely and have a look to see if thereís anything to be had out of it. As has also been pointed out, thereís also the matter of SC\DV to consider. It takes time, money and resource to process people and itís not something you can easily expedite.

There would have to be real benefit to be gained for the treasury to approve any loan scheme.

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Old 12th May 2020, 16:06
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Originally Posted by hunterboy View Post
I don't think many BA people are looking at a (fictional) FJ slot, unless they've only just left the squadron and wouldn't mind going back. As the posters above mentioned, the 330 looks a good fit, but I understand there aren't any vacancies at the moment. Personally speaking, I would have thought it would be an opportunity for somebody that has had enough of flying and would like the challenge of a ground role. I also wonder how many BA people would struggle with SC and DV clearances with slightly out of the ordinary private lives, i.e non-residency for last 3 years and/or marriage to non UK citizens.
The A330 is 108% manned in the RAF. They donít need anyone
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Old 12th May 2020, 16:40
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Originally Posted by Megaton View Post
Pilots with no military experience will have to go through 6 months officer training. Re-treads would undertake 2 week refresher course. As always, you join the military as an officer first and pilot second. Thereís a lot more to the job than simply poling a large aircraft around.
you wonít do tarts and vicars if you have left in the past 5 years I believe
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Old 12th May 2020, 16:44
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Originally Posted by Homelover View Post
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Do you actually believe that? Thatís just what all the blunties at IOT tell all the (potential) aircrew isnít it? 😂
Yep, I lived my Military career trying to shove two fingers up at that.

Aircraft Commander first, pilot second (tends to keep you alive) and when I need to get authoritarian (only happened twice in 16 years) I will do the ďlets start that conversation againĒ line.
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Old 12th May 2020, 16:47
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Originally Posted by zero/zero View Post
The A330 is 108% manned in the RAF. They donít need anyone
what is the Typhoon/F-35 at? Not 108%!!
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Old 12th May 2020, 17:29
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I wonder what badge they'll get?

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Old 12th May 2020, 18:58
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The whole idea is ludicrous......HOWEVER, if it does go ahead, you'll never get another BA pilot whingeing about crew meals/food.......good luck in the mess at RAF Cranwell!
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Old 12th May 2020, 19:17
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STEWARD! Where's the cheese board?
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Old 12th May 2020, 19:22
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Originally Posted by trim it out View Post
Iíve never flown for BA or the RAF so am interested to hear why they wouldnít cut the mustard.

The article said up to 48 months secondment so presume they will only do a tarts and vicars course followed by a rapid OCU to get the most bang for the buck?
Good luck with that "rapid" ocu.

Where would that leave the pilots waiting for ocu slots or on the ocu at the time?
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