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China's expansionist strategy

Old 26th May 2020, 23:00
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
rjtjrt,

Er, give ONE example of how 21st Century China is behaving like 1930's Nazi Germany?
trampling over the democratic rights of Hong Kongers and overtly threatening the Republic of China on Taiwan with destruction if they declare sovereignty

That enough for you yet?
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Old 26th May 2020, 23:04
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
A bit difficult when over 100 million Chinese go on overseas tours every year.
...only the trusted middle classes and party members.
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Old 27th May 2020, 02:51
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Originally Posted by Vortex Hoop View Post
trampling over the democratic rights of Hong Kongers and overtly threatening the Republic of China on Taiwan with destruction if they declare sovereignty

That enough for you yet?
Is Taiwan the Sudetenland analogue here, or Hong Kong?
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Old 27th May 2020, 06:31
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The People’s Court (Volksgerichtshof), seems most apposite.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Court_(Germany)

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Old 27th May 2020, 07:58
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.only the trusted middle classes and party members.
Where on Earth did you get that rubbish from. I happen to know a lot of Chinese who have toured overseas and not one of them is a Party member. There are also about 50,000 Chinese studying at Western Universities so there is no shortage of experience of the West.

The fantastic growth in China in recent years has happened because of the lack of political choice so people can get on with improving their life instead of wasting all their energy whinging about politics.
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Old 27th May 2020, 09:02
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8(4) and (5) are the killers........

China's expansionist strategy

https://www.hrw.org/report/2015/07/1...ans-and-others
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Old 27th May 2020, 11:40
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Chinese 'White Paper'

This makes quite interesting reading on this topic.

"China's National Defense in the New Era"
it can be found at "The State Council Information Office of the People's Republic of China". the first edition is dated July 2019.
I downloaded my copy as a 51 page 'Word Document'

It sets out what China sees as 'its property' and it does challenge the US and others.
It seem to be their 'Official Party Line' on the topic.

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Old 27th May 2020, 11:50
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84 4 and 5, ORAC?
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Old 27th May 2020, 12:10
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Sorry Jacko, Article 8 parts 4 and 5 here.

https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/ce/cgny/eng...aws/t42218.htm
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Old 27th May 2020, 12:30
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Is there a link for that, HAS59
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Old 27th May 2020, 13:36
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Easy to find Jacko

Full Text: China's National Defense in the New Era - Xinhua | English.news.cn
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Old 27th May 2020, 14:12
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
A bit difficult when over 100 million Chinese go on overseas tours every year.
Germans were allowed to travel overseas during the 1930s so my example stands. But please do go ahead and explain the ‘Great Firewall’ and the Hong Kong bookseller disappearances (to name just the two most obvious examples).
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Old 27th May 2020, 14:32
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Originally Posted by HAS59 View Post
"China's National Defense in the New Era"
it can be found at "The State Council Information Office of the People's Republic of China". the first edition is dated July 2019.
I downloaded my copy as a 51 page 'Word Document'

It sets out what China sees as 'its property' and it does challenge the US and others.
It seem to be their 'Official Party Line' on the topic.
Might this be their version of "The Monroe Doctrine" vis a vis regional affairs?
I'll take a read this weekend and get back to you. Thanks for the link.
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Old 27th May 2020, 16:38
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Whatever way you look at it no-one is going to go to war with China over some islands in the S China Sea - and that includes the locals.

Try explaining "Freedom of the Seas" to your average voter in Dallas, Birmingham or Frankfurt.

I can only see it happening if due to idiocy or accident someone sinks a CVN or a CV
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Old 27th May 2020, 21:29
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Where on Earth did you get that rubbish from. I happen to know a lot of Chinese who have toured overseas and not one of them is a Party member. There are also about 50,000 Chinese studying at Western Universities so there is no shortage of experience of the West.

The fantastic growth in China in recent years has happened because of the lack of political choice so people can get on with improving their life instead of wasting all their energy whinging about politics.
do you really think they would get an exit visa if they were Uighurs or dissidents? And that growth doesn’t look so good when they choke us out with rampant emissions and overpopulation.
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Old 27th May 2020, 21:48
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https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...ns-for-U-S.pdf

China Naval Modernization: Implications for U.S. Navy Capabilities—Background and Issues for Congress

Updated May 21, 2020
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Old 28th May 2020, 06:09
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https://www.politico.eu/article/pomp...autonomy-away/

Pompeo: China has taken Hong Kong’s autonomy away

WASHINGTON — U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo formally certified to Congress on Wednesday that the Trump administration no longer views Hong Kong as an autonomous region of China, a move that effectively terminates the city's special status under U.S. law that has helped it flourish as destination for trade and investment.......

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...kong-quicktake


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...s-xi-hm8t8bjw3

US halts trade deal with Hong Kong in protest at China

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On Sunday Robert O’Brien, the president’s national security adviser, said that if Mr Pompeo could no longer certify Hong Kong’s autonomy then “there will be sanctions that will be imposed on Hong Kong and China”.

The end of special trading status would mean that goods from Hong Kong would become subject to the same tariffs now applied by the US to ones from mainland China. Economic and visa restrictions on China would also be expanded to the territory, dealing a significant blow to Hong Kong’s role as a multinational business hub......

It came hours after President Xi said that China must be ready for war as relations between Beijing and Washington hit a new low.....

In surprisingly forthright remarks carried by the official Xinhua news agency, Mr Xi said China must get ready for war. “We must explore ways to train and to prepare for war when pandemic control efforts are getting normalised,” he said. “We must hasten to step up preparations for armed warfare, carry out real-combat military training with flexibility, and to comprehensively enhance our army’s abilities to perform military missions.”

He said the pandemic had made a profound impact on the global order, as well as China’s security and development. Although Mr Xi refrained from identifying the enemy, his defence minister was less circumspect.

Wei Fenghe, who is also a general in the army, said: “The United States has intensified the suppression and containment of our side since the outbreak, and the Sino-US strategic confrontation has entered a period of high risk. We must strengthen our fighting spirit, be daring to fight and be good at fighting, and use fighting to promote stability.”

Beijing is set to increase its defence budget by 6.6 per cent to reach $178 billion this year, far outpacing economic growth, which is estimated to be 1.5 per cent over the course of the year......

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Old 29th May 2020, 21:31
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https://www.indiatoday.in/news-analy...Daxdx9dNHLKciU

Rather cryptic messaging from Xi directed at no one in particular but intended for a number of parties I’m sure.

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If I may be allowed a wee conspiracy theory, and one which has done the rounds a few times, and I have no proof but I could be easily convinced of the accusation that Covid 19 is a laboratory engineered virus and it wasn't released accidentally. The virus is far too efficient, we have scant information about how it is being handled in China. It is wide spread across Western nations, scarcely registered in the African Continent where China has many interests. In fact, Covid 19 doesn't appear to have made any kind of impact anywhere around the equator?

President Trump says some outrageous and unfathomable things which is manor from Heaven to his political enemies, of which he has several Garden sheds full. However, within the madness are the odd, albeit cockamamie sounding accusation/claim, but when you stop and think about the direction of his statements there is the makings of a rational, perhaps lateral thinking uttering, but none too popular at all.

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Old 30th May 2020, 09:48
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I prefer to think a little more conventionally, it would not be beyond the bounds of reason to conclude that China is constructing a series of diversionary tactics (South China Sea, India/China Border tensions, Australia, Coronavirus, etc.) to mask it's real strategic intentions.

The more I think about it, this is very likely to result in concluding the outstanding annexure of Taiwan.

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